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Dales access update
« on: May 18, 2020, 01:19:42 pm »


Information update for the Dales

We’re now through the first weekend of the post lockdown period and I wanted to let folks know how things are in the Dales.  I hope this will help caving visitors make better informed decisions.  On Saturday, with Pegasus, I checked out both Devils Bridge at Kirkby Lonsdale and Ribblehead to see what the general level of visitors was like.  There was probably half the normal number of bikers at Kirkby and surprisingly there was an ice cream van feeding them.  At Ribblehead there were more bikers enjoying the fine weather and many cars although nowhere near the numbers of a busy bank holiday weekend.  There was both an ice cream van and a tea wagon in operation and social distancing protocols were varied at both locations.  I expect if anyone is to draw criticism from the weekend it will be the bikers.  People just haven’t got used to the noise again.

A chance conversation with the police attending an [amicable] incident at Ingleton suggested the weekend had gone well, they were coping but acknowledged the rules on what you can and can’t do were confusing.  Talking of Ingleton, the waterfalls walk is closed.  There were quite a few cars parked nearby suggesting people had walked elsewhere when they found the gates shut.  The co-op is open both in the village and at the petrol station.  A couple of the eateries are doing take away meals but I think this is on pre-order only.  Most amenities are closed.

Comments from the YDNPA seem to suggest the weekend went well too. https://www.yorkshiredales.org.uk/a-busier-weekend-in-the-yorkshire-dales/

I visited a few of the usual caving haunts, Bull Pot farm, Leck Fell, Kingsdale, Chapel le Dale.  Leck was quiet but there were a few cars at the other locations mostly with people walking but perhaps a few had wandered into Yordas and the like.  The best that I can tell is that a few people have been caving and no issues have been reported to me.  It does look like the general advice about being respectful and cautious is being heeded.  Therefore the information in our statement last Wednesday remains the same.  See here:  https://cncc.org.uk/covid-19

Going forward the message from the local community is going to be mixed:  Some local residents can be worse than the visitors, some will welcome the business visitors bring, many will be indifferent, a few will be feeling very vulnerable and frightened and some just don’t like visitors at the best of times.

I’m working on opening up the on-line booking system to help those who choose to go caving.  We should like to help cavers with social distancing issues and spread any activity as widely as possible.  Already I have met the owner of most of West Kingsdale who is ok with caving resuming up there.  There will be other areas where discrete, low impact caving can take place – just don’t be having an accident and please follow the government guidelines.

As the government is so keen on slogans I thought perhaps we should have one to get our own message across.
 
CAUTION – CAPABILITY – CONSIDERATE

Be cautious, cave within your capabilities, be considerate to all you meet.

Some photos below from Saturday.
Tim Allen
CNCC Access Officer
« Last Edit: May 18, 2020, 03:39:04 pm by Pegasus, Reason: Pegasus added poster »

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Re: Dales access update
« Reply #1 on: May 18, 2020, 01:26:51 pm »
Easegill for those who are missing it

Walkers at Bull Pot Farm

Empty on Leck

Beautiful Kingsdale

Busy at Ribblehead

Beautiful spot for a walk

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Re: Dales access update
« Reply #2 on: May 18, 2020, 01:30:15 pm »
If Westking's caving is now allowed, which is always popular, would it be possible to temporarily add all the caves there to the booking system? Although no permits are actually required, if everyone used it at least we would know which caves we are likely to encounter other visitors in on a given day, to help with social distancing.
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Re: Dales access update
« Reply #3 on: May 18, 2020, 01:35:29 pm »
There's no guarantee that others will use (or even know about) any additions to the system, so best guide (as always) is what other cars are parked up (cavers usually give themselves away). If it does prove to be a problem at particular sites, then they can be considered for addition, with notices going up at their usual parking areas.
« Last Edit: May 18, 2020, 01:46:26 pm by mikem »

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Re: Dales access update
« Reply #4 on: May 18, 2020, 01:37:30 pm »
Thanks for the update

Could you add SENSIBLE after the CAUTION to help with the Acronym  :o

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Re: Dales access update
« Reply #5 on: May 18, 2020, 01:40:31 pm »
Consider Sensible Caution & Capability, better than
Consider NO Caution or Capability
I suppose you could also try
Don't Cave Anywhere  ;)

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Re: Dales access update
« Reply #6 on: May 18, 2020, 01:53:17 pm »
Exceptionally dry at Masongill on Sat. Various young people wandering around the fields, which seemed unusual. Ingleton still has it’s “No Bloody Visitors” sign hanging limply on the bridge, seemingly ignored by most. The bakery place by the old school is open and has nice stuff.
It would indeed be extremely handy to know where there are issues and where not. No-one wants to get into a spat.
Casterton Fell would obviously be helpful as there is no-one living at the end of the road to annoy excessively. It would be good to know if Leck Fell House are feeling sanguine alongside the other landowners.
The nature walk in Clapham says it’s open, but not checked it out. The show cave says it’s shut. I imagine that will see a lot of walkers pretty soon.
I am assuming that Chapel-le-Dale will be OK on the bench?

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Re: Dales access update
« Reply #7 on: May 18, 2020, 01:59:57 pm »
If Westking's caving is now allowed, which is always popular, would it be possible to temporarily add all the caves there to the booking system? Although no permits are actually required, if everyone used it at least we would know which caves we are likely to encounter other visitors in on a given day, to help with social distancing.

Alex - we are still expecting cavers to follow government guidelines on social distancing and take into account the advice in our statement from last Wednesday.  Therefore we are not expecting may people to be caving at all.  If anyone does choose to go caving then the landowner at West Kingdale doesn't mind.  I think it important to get this info out as soon as we can.  There will be other areas the discrete caver can go too.  I appreciate your point on the booking system but we are not going to extend it beyond those areas where it is known to operate.  I'm hoping to get more info out before the weekend.  Cheers

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Re: Dales access update
« Reply #8 on: May 18, 2020, 04:36:20 pm »
Anyone care to so a search of Derbyshire and report on 'biker' gatherings

So when I decide to ride round my stamping grounds I can avoid such gatherings...
No longer 'Exceptionally antagonistic' 'Deliberately inflammatory'

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Re: Dales access update
« Reply #9 on: May 18, 2020, 04:42:22 pm »

 

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