The reason why it's important is that, according to Defra et al., CRoW only refers to "open air" activities and they claim this is synonymous with "outdoor". I'm sure that's why they have come up with this daft claim that you can legally (i.e. CRoW approved) descend an open shaft or pothole as long as you don't go out of daylight at the bottom. (Or, alternatively go into a large cave entrance on the side of a mountain as long as you don't go into the further reaches where it's dark!) Don't forget that under CRoW you are welcome to walk up to a cave, as long as you don't try to enter it beyond the reach of daylight, at which point it become "non-CRoW-approved". So access to the entrance to a cave isn't a problem, it's access INTO a cave itself which is not allowed.
Not if landowners have requested beforehand that we ask permission to do it.
Quote from: mikem on October 20, 2020, 04:53:04 pmNot if landowners have requested beforehand that we ask permission to do it.Can you explain to us why you insist on sticking up for and taking the side of the landowner? Any chance to get a "because the landowner says" type comment in there and you're on it... It's almost as if you hate caving...
It's far more likely that caving never came up on the radar Mike...
Hobhouse 1947 report for the national parks committee?
Many caves have been used continuously for over 20 years - doesn't that mean that legally they have become a public right of way?Quote from: mikem on October 20, 2020, 04:53:04 pmNot if landowners have requested beforehand that we ask permission to do it.
So many caves have been used without permission for decades and therefore will have become rights of way before any sort of permission system became established.
Assuming, of course, that there are legal precedents for having a right of way underground.
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