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Re: Covid travel restrictions and Police fines etc.
« Reply #25 on: February 09, 2021, 09:44:41 am »
there are far fewer ICU beds in tourist areas than cities
This argument can be used for people moving to second homes in the countryside, but it's not relevant to daily exercise in the countryside.

You don't leave home to go for a walk/ climbing/ caving in the morning and end up in an emergency covid ward by lunchtime.

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« Reply #26 on: February 09, 2021, 09:45:02 am »
A lot of these rescue jobs don't just put the rescuers at the risk of sharing Covid.  Just a few days ago a member of the Patterdale Mountain Rescue team was seriously injured going to the aid of someone camping out on a mountain who was "suffering chest pains."

https://www.newsandstar.co.uk/news/19071953.patterdale-mountain-rescue-team-member-suffers-life-changing-injuries-falling-150m/

As I'm sure most people on this forum will know full well, when you get yourself into a situation where you need rescuing, you may well be putting other people's lives at risk as well as your own.
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« Reply #27 on: February 09, 2021, 09:49:47 am »
I agree, but I don't understand why it matters where they travelled from. I could just as easily break a leg running round the countryside near me perfectly legally on the slippery ice and cause a rescue (though I would personally would probably try to crawl home rather than cause a rescue).

The camping one was very bad luck and from what I understand was a medical issue, the issue is choosing to do a risky camp in that weather in a remote place (not how far they travelled to get there, because I still can't see why that matters?). Travelling or not they are still some rescue team's problem.
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« Reply #28 on: February 09, 2021, 09:50:55 am »
& the more remote you have that problem, the more people will be involved.

The issue isn't with the individual needing an ICU bed, it's those they might interact with, e.g. they visit a local shop (for local people :lol:)

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« Reply #29 on: February 09, 2021, 09:51:19 am »
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You don't leave home to go for a walk/ climbing/ caving in the morning and end up in an emergency covid ward by lunchtime.

ICU isn’t just for Covid patients - accidents have occurred in rescue teams. Cars drivers do have had accidents. All these things add pressure to the health service.

It’s so frustrating to see people arguing they should be allowed to do what they want. I’ve got a caving friend who’s been on a ventilator for weeks now. It has been touch and go many times. It’s still not certain what will happen.

If people could use their imagination to find other hobbies which satisfy their mental health then they might not get so het up about being told to stay home.

Families are losing loved ones, friends are loosing drinking buddies, the caves/mountains/countryside aren’t going anywhere and we WILL get back out there soon.

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« Reply #30 on: February 09, 2021, 09:52:17 am »
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we WILL get back out there soon.

I wish I could believe that!

Sorry to hear about your friend, I do hope he recovers from it.
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« Reply #31 on: February 09, 2021, 09:54:15 am »
The problem is mainly the frustration about the way it's being managed by government & their lack of clarity / consistency.

& trying to counter the fact that the more people who are out there doing stuff, the more rescues will be required.

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« Reply #32 on: February 09, 2021, 10:06:54 am »
And more and more will, unfortunately as people like me begin to loose hope that this will ever end.

I have been good so far by the way, I still have the same tank I fuel I bought before Chrismass. I do hope my car will still work, when/if we are ever allowed out again or if I am called out on a big shout myself, I turn it on in the garage and occasionally go to the shops in it, but not going on long drives won't do it much good.

I like everyone is just frustrated by both the virus and the bunch of circus clowns that dare to call them selves a government, that idiots decided to put in charge to get this Brexit thing done to make people poorer for some reason and put our fishing industry out of business.
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« Reply #33 on: February 09, 2021, 10:48:30 am »
It doesn't seem to have occurred to many people yet that cars are the problem. The police like cars because they are lazy, so they drive cars too. Don't drive a car to your exercise - no police problems. The police don't get the bus, as it's embarrassing to the cop mind - well, to most middle-aged men, frankly. And it doesn't go where they need to go. Away from popular routes they no longer hang around train stations like they used to, as most criminals use cars to do their thing. If you really need to travel, use public transport - there's no-one on it, and if it's a bus the driver will be so glad for a chat they probably won't let you even sit down. I've been doing whatever I want, safely, since last March, and have barely seen the police, and when I do, they don't see me. But I don't drive. Perhaps there's a clue there?

Also Dominic Cummings has nothing to do with the running of this country any longer, so can we please make that the last mention of him? He was largely irrelevant then, and he's totally irrelevant now. Blaming someone else for your own behaviour is rather odd, especially when you don't even know him.

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« Reply #34 on: February 09, 2021, 10:50:19 am »
All the sensible influencers get themselves jobs in big industry, it's better paid with less criticism - who'd want to go into politics nowadays?

The lockdown has done its job, just a matter of when they decide to relax restrictions, as one half of vocal population are baying for it to end & other side want to stay wrapped in cotton wool for ever....

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« Reply #35 on: February 09, 2021, 10:52:06 am »
Guys, some of you may have seen the news of the rescue in Cheddar Gorge (https://www.somersetlive.co.uk/news/somerset-news/police-update-cheddar-gorge-rescue-4979937).  Note that whatever your views on the details of the lockdown law that those rescued were handed £200 fines from the police, they had apparently travelled about 30 miles from South Gloucestershire to the Gorge.  There are reports of others having been fined visiting the Cheddar Gorge and at Goblin Combe.  This post is not to debate the rights and wrongs of this, these can be taken up with the Police and the courts, but to point out that anyone travelling to Mendip to go caving is now very likely to be facing legal action if they have travelled any distance.

I am quoting the OP who unless I have missed something, has not re-posted

"This post is not to debate etc" ....... it was basically a heads up
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« Reply #36 on: February 09, 2021, 10:54:05 am »
Nobody's debating the fact that police are fining people, they are venting their frustration - this is a forum, not a noticeboard.

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« Reply #37 on: February 09, 2021, 11:15:45 am »
It’s a sad fact that, just because you start a post, you don’t get to decide on it’s direction...

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« Reply #38 on: February 09, 2021, 11:18:15 am »
Just as you don't decide the eventual direction of a pub discussion when you start it. If just two people are involved then you have some control, but less & less as the table gets bigger. You can, however, turn away from this much more easily.

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« Reply #39 on: February 09, 2021, 11:31:14 am »
... who'd want to go into politics nowadays?

Well ... it's not a bad salary, plenty of perks (cheap booze & food, employ the missus for extra cash, stacks of expenses), you don't have to turn up much, you can lie through your teeth and your colleagues aren't even allowed to mention it (even if they notice), doesn't really matter if you cock things up, and people queue up to bribe you.

Plus - you only get a review every five years and, even then, the system's rigged in the favour of the two main parties so, as long as you get a job with one of the two, it's very unlikely anything will happen - in fact there's plenty of examples of prize chumps getting elected time after time, no matter how poor they are at their job.

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« Reply #40 on: February 09, 2021, 11:34:56 am »
For prize chumps indeed - competent individuals (& even incompetent investment bankers) can get paid far more elsewhere, without needing security guards to protect them from the public.

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« Reply #41 on: February 09, 2021, 12:12:36 pm »
I suspect they were fined because there were three of them, not because they weren't exercising locally.

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« Reply #42 on: February 09, 2021, 12:14:28 pm »
That's allowed if they are family or in a bubble, so doubtful. Police quoted as saying the fine was because the trip was "unnecessary".
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« Reply #43 on: February 09, 2021, 12:33:43 pm »

who'd want to go into politics nowadays?


Most likely those who are least suitable.

We have got a big enough bunch of idiots in the UK but when you compare them to the likes of Trump and Marjorie Taylor Greene maybe they aren't so bad

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« Reply #44 on: February 09, 2021, 12:43:09 pm »
Unfortunately most people assumed it wouldn't make much difference, so allowed them to "take power" - they've now realised they don't actually have any!

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« Reply #45 on: February 09, 2021, 12:43:48 pm »
That's allowed if they are family or in a bubble, so doubtful.

What's doubtful - that they are from the same family/bubble, or they aren't?

The police up here have been driving around and 'sending people away' from sites like Ribblehead, Storrs Common and even Kingsdale if they aren't 'local' (they are using 10 miles as a guideline); I think I have heard that often these cars are breaching the rules in some actually illegal way (like having more than one household/two people in).

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« Reply #46 on: February 09, 2021, 12:48:36 pm »
Couldn't edit my previous post for some reason following edit to quote:

>> Police quoted as saying the fine was because the trip was "unnecessary".

I guess either the police decided the trip wasn't for exercise or the offenders never tried to claim it was.

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« Reply #47 on: February 09, 2021, 01:08:13 pm »
Unfortunately most people assumed it wouldn't make much difference, so allowed them to "take power" - they've now realised they don't actually have any!

Most people - didn't vote for them.
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« Reply #48 on: February 09, 2021, 01:21:06 pm »
Only 2/3 of population actually voted, so they also didn't vote against them. The opposition were practically unelectable. If you don't do anything about it then you do end up with the representation you deserve (as a community, rather than an individual).

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« Reply #49 on: February 09, 2021, 01:40:18 pm »
Only 2/3 of population actually voted, so they also didn't vote against them. The opposition were practically unelectable. If you don't do anything about it then you do end up with the representation you deserve (as a community, rather than an individual).

The system is rigged to not allow fair representation.

2% of those who voted, get 0% representation in parliament (brexit party), yet 43% of those who vote can get a 56% majority, based on our existing first past the post system.

I've never voted blue, and never will, but it makes absolutely no difference in my constituency, and I can understand people's apathetic views towards voting.

 

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