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Ogof Draenen
« on: May 13, 2021, 01:32:34 pm »
Over the years I've read a lot on here about problems at Draenen, which has somewhat put me off visiting.

But I just happened across a survey in Descent (reproduced below).

It's so small that it hardly seems worth the trouble! All that hot air for such a little place, I would have thought there were more interesting ways to spend time, like connecting Daren Cilau with Agen Allwedd for example.

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Re: Ogof Draenen
« Reply #1 on: May 13, 2021, 01:40:26 pm »
There are parts of the country where that would be a good day out

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Re: Ogof Draenen
« Reply #2 on: May 13, 2021, 02:33:53 pm »
Over the years I've read a lot on here about problems at Draenen, which has somewhat put me off visiting.

But I just happened across a survey in Descent (reproduced below).

It's so small that it hardly seems worth the trouble! All that hot air for such a little place, I would have thought there were more interesting ways to spend time, like connecting Daren Cilau with Agen Allwedd for example.

Chris.


As I thought. Only one entrance!

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Re: Ogof Draenen
« Reply #3 on: May 13, 2021, 03:05:05 pm »
Be careful. People who post about this cave sometimes get a lot of hate, grief and misery. It has ruined people's mental health, and even their whole lives. It is cursed.

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Re: Ogof Draenen
« Reply #4 on: May 13, 2021, 10:47:55 pm »
Sorry Dave are you suggesting Draenen is cursed or do you really mean UKCaving and if so does that make Badlad the devil, as I just thought that was a Southern myth?

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Re: Ogof Draenen
« Reply #5 on: May 14, 2021, 07:02:28 am »
STOP PRESS: I was mistaken. Draenen is now 15km long. I just read the next edition of Descent (121 - Dec '94).

Looks like I will have to visit after all.

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Re: Ogof Draenen
« Reply #6 on: May 14, 2021, 07:33:44 am »
I would have thought there were more interesting ways to spend time, like connecting Daren Cilau with Agen Allwedd for example.

Chris.

A couple of years before the Draenen breakthrough, I was involved with a project to try to connect Aggy and Daren. It's incredible to me that they are still not connected all these years later! They are so close!

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Re: Ogof Draenen
« Reply #7 on: May 14, 2021, 08:04:41 am »
I remember exactly the same words being expressed about Gaping Gill and Ingleborough Cave until 1982/3

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Re: Ogof Draenen
« Reply #8 on: May 14, 2021, 09:38:16 am »
The opening words of the article in Descent 121 posted by Chris JC are "Every decade in recent years has seen a major break through in South Wales."

I have a bad memory, I can't recall the last couple....


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Re: Ogof Draenen
« Reply #9 on: May 14, 2021, 10:32:08 am »
Aggy in the 50s
DYO, OFD & Little Neath in the 60s
Craig A Ffynnon in the 70s
Daren Cilau in the 80s
Carno in the 90s

The article was written in 1994.

There have been finds made since but nothing to compare to what I've listed above, unfortunately.

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Re: Ogof Draenen
« Reply #10 on: May 14, 2021, 11:10:20 am »
I suppose the cave most likely to offer scope for a major further breakthrough with many kilometres of passage now is... Ogof Draenen. 

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Re: Ogof Draenen
« Reply #11 on: May 14, 2021, 05:36:52 pm »
There's certainly 10s of kilometres of passage associated with Draenen still to find David but there's also the other half (maybe two thirds) of Dan Yr Ogof to be discovered too.

And then there's all the major catchments with relatively little know cave in them. There's whole new systems to be opened up at Trefil, Pant Mawr and the other three Black Mountain catchments, draining to Ffryd Las, Ffrydiau Twrch and Llygad Llwchwr.

 

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