Moorhouse is back!

[Turner]

so if it wasnt for him she would have never been nearly seriously injured, and never have fallen off the ladder? Sounds like he puts people into danger due to ignorance, stupidity and come on look on his website...... the guy is warm.....and he needs stopping........

[SamT]

so if it wasnt for him she would have never been nearly seriously injured, and never have fallen off the ladder?

Just playing devils advocate here, but how is her falling off the ladder his fault.
And just how did the

good quick thinking friends looking out for her

influence anything.

Seems to me like a normal Ladder and life line was set up, and did its job perfectly well. How many novice's fall off ladders - lots I imagine. All well and good if you've got a life line, which they had.

 

[Amos666]

Just playing devils advocate here, but how is her falling off the ladder his fault.
And just how did the

good quick thinking friends looking out for her

influence anything.

Seems to me like a normal Ladder and life line was set up, and did its job perfectly well. How many novice's fall off ladders - lots I imagine. All well and good if you've got a life line, which they had.

 

To answer your questions, the quick thinking friends helped because Moorhouse was doing nothing to try to help when she was in trouble apart from saying encouraging things. It was Scoobz who's never been in a cave before, that took control, took charge of the rope to help her & stopped her from falling to the bottom.

The 2nd statement - yes she was lucky that he had set up a normal lifeline, but due to his lack of knowledge, if he had of made a mistake with setting this up, it would not have saved her. Also, his equipment was obviously very old & shabby. His caving suits & wellies were covered in duct tape in an attempt to cover the many rips & holes in them. The point is, if the rope had been in the same shabby condition, the outcome may not have been so favourable. The party who went down the cave with him were totally unaware of the potential dangers thery were putting themselves into. They trusted him 100% because they thought he was a very experienced instructor ('One of the top 50 in the country' - his words). They assumed he knew exactly what he was doing, what to do in an emergency & that his equipment was reliable.

[Turner]

What a dong..............

i wont take friends vertical caving unless they have done an srt course......

but if you were told false information...... more people need to know about this guy before he puts someones life in serious danger

[george]

Surely someone on here must have his number or address. If we could contact him, we could get him on here to defend himself, otherwise this is all just heresay. This could all be made up with a couple of people claiming to know him for shits and giggles. Come Mr Moorhouse, lets hear from you!

[Amos666]

Surely someone on here must have his number or address. If we could contact him, we could get him on here to defend himself, otherwise this is all just heresay. This could all be made up with a couple of people claiming to know him for shits and giggles. Come Mr Moorhouse, lets hear from you!

Believe me, when I first read all the threads from 2003, I thought exactly the same as you. Anyone can say anything about anyone on a forum & how do we know what is & isn't true & it very soon becomes a witch hunt.

I had originally asked that details about Moorhouse were not put on a public forum for this very reason, but this thread had already been started prior to this request.

But since then, after giving it much thought, if I read in the papers months from now someone had died due to his actions, I would never forgive myself for keeping it under wraps. This man is a very likeable person, probably very lonely & just desparate to make friends by pretending to be someone is so obviously isn't, & I don't believe his actions are any way malicious. But, by the very fact innocent people are putting 100% trust in his so-called magnificent expertise, this makes him dangerous.

If you do not believe in my credibility, please contact the starter of this thread, who knows who I am & I would be more than willing to discuss this further with anyone who wishes to hear the facts first-hand.

[DARBY]

Mr Moorhouse, i think i met you a while ago in said pot. All i can say is if you carry on with your little act you will almost definately end up with a manslaughter charge for some poor b.....d you fooled and killed with amazing knowledge of caving and other associated sports. As for your knowledge of certain armed forces i may be able to help. Do us a favour and f..k off, cause if you get in our way we will let you know.

In a polite way please help us to make derbyshire a safer place to cave and bog off!!!!

[JB]

Of course Moorhouse is a f*ckmook; I've seen him in action at a crag and it wasn't clever! However the people who are going out with him have to take some responsibility for the situation that they're finding themselves in. I wouldn't go paragliding <or other potentially dangerous activity> with a bloke who I 'met' on the internet without doing a bit of my own research/questioning/thinking first.

I'm very glad that nobody was hurt on your Shamblers trips

Jules.

[Turner]

giants needs a "no moorhouse" sign.........

[El Agreb]

However the people who are going out with him have to take some responsibility for the situation that they're finding themselves in.

Well put Jules

And he could at least spell his adopted name correctly seeing as it may be one of the 8 he has climbed or wants to!

[DARBY]

Good one Jules, Has he got a Glossy Leaflet i can hand out to people i dont like.

[SamT]

[To answer your questions.....[snip]

Cool, cool. 

As you say, the guy does have 'issues' and the more folks that are aware of him the better IMHO though I don't really like the tone of some folks emails, I certainly don't advocate beatings. 

Professional care and the right meds would go a long way.

[DARBY]

who mentioned beatings!!!

[Jam]

Well, did I do the right thing in asking "What's the story"?

I guess if it saves folk from potential danger then the answer is yes...
Looked at his website and one thing is for certain, he's more than heavily dyslexic (I know, I am mildly) or his grey matter is wired incorrectly.

Thanks for the heads up!!

Rich

[Turner]

taken from his website..... a club that he runs.......

http://web.archive.org/web/20030225205805/members.tripod.com/smwc2001/index.html

MSpaint art FTMFW!!111!!!!

[Turner]

oh it gets better :D like i said...... wouldnt let him babysit the kids lol :p

from his website

"The next 2 pictures our of the daughters of 2 of the people I climb with. They are both slightly mad and terrorist ANYONE who should cross their paths. So beware if you see them then you best go another way. But if you should go to near them offer chocolate(as I do) as this seems to quell the beast inside them Holly is the one to the right and Sarah to the Left..."

[Turner]

http://www.ukclimbing.com/forums/t.php?t=314505

[bubba]

However the people who are going out with him have to take some responsibility for the situation that they're finding themselves in. I wouldn't go paragliding <or other potentially dangerous activity> with a bloke who I 'met' on the internet without doing a bit of my own research/questioning/thinking first.

It's very easy for a friendly, convincing bullshitter to pull the wool over the eyes of a total novice, which is why he continues to prey on such people. I suspect that he talks a good enough line that people feel they don't need to do any further research. You can't blame people for being trusting, it's not really their fault they are being lied to. I'm sure many of us will have been caving/climbing/etc with people who we've just met and accepted on face value rather than doing internet research on!

I think that any adverse publicity that this guy gets is a good thing as it will hopefully be seen and acted on. He needs to keep getting shut down before there is the potential for an accident.

I've actually been contacted by his (now ex, after she found out the truth) fiancee who only suspected quite late on that he wasn't what he seemed.

From reading the description of the last Giants incident it almost seems to me he wants there to be an accident so that he can then step in using his "elite rescuer" persona.

This sort of Delusion of Grandeur can be a symptom of Schizophrenia so perhaps the guy does need some sort of prefossional help?

[Peter Burgess]

OMG, you have just reminded me of an incident at a place I used to work many years back. I came in nice and early as normal to find two floors of the office completely gutted by fire. Eventually it transpired that the security officer on duty had started a fire deliberately with the intention of "discovering" it and putting it out and being a hero. His problem was he left it too late, and had to call out the fire brigade instead. This was his second such offence; the first time at another site he had got away with it and been called a hero. I spent a year working in a portakabin as a result.

[Turner]

wasn't called andrew moorhouse was he :p

[adrenalin]

Hi Guys

The way I see it so far, he has not broke any laws, which is why on doing a search on him lead us to this forum and events that has happened in the past.

The Sheffield Shamblers Walking group was originally set up a couple of years ago as a social walking group, mainly for people who like to walk as a group at a Leisurely Place, we do have a couple of members who seem pretty experienced and done some challenging walks in the past other than with the group, however what we have here is someone with a big personality (likeable guy) who joined about 10 weeks ago.

Im sure you can picture the scene, all having a conversation welcoming him to the group etc, over the few weeks, he say's he is part of Mountain Rescue on a voluntary basis spending nights out in the peak district, claiming that his day job is teaching groups like ourselves in map reading, health & Safety also in teaching in other area's such as Kayacking, Caving, Horse Riding etc, the main banter of the group being the size of his Rucksack which looks the part with walking sticks attached, ropes etc (for some reason small fluffy toys too) far too extreme for what we do where we take a normal day pack containing waterproofs, drink food etc, our walk co-ordinators cary first aid kits.

So with the above he is building trust amongst naive people, so when he then starts a thread regarding Night Walk or as has happened Caving, some I assume will have attended with the false security that they are in the safest possible hands but knowing the facts that his claim to be in Mountain Rescue being false then im sure those people would not attend.

If he just had the sense to say "hello my name is Andrew I'm a experienced Walker also in Caving does anyone want to join me, then fine, at least you know where you are, then make your own decission whether to participate.

The more I have thought about what ive read in the other threads on here, I do feel and I hope I'm wrong, that he would love to create a situation where he comes out the hero.

I have no experience in Caving at all, and only little walking experience with the group I walk with, I do feel he does have plenty of experience but he needs to be stopped in giving the false pretence which potencially could lead to a dissaster.

[george]

I read on his website about his rucksac - 8 stone! He seems quite proud of the fact. If I went out with an 8 stone rucksac I would never live it down. He must be all man!

[adrenalin]

Is this the same fellahttp://picasaweb.google.co.uk/zebedee.zoe/Caving#5399065106659921986
http://picasaweb.google.co.uk/zebedee.zoe/Caving#5399065404523847394
http://picasaweb.google.co.uk/zebedee.zoe/Caving#5399066001977373938

his famous rucksack, whats the cuddly toys for?
http://picasaweb.google.co.uk/zebedee.zoe/RodMoorOct2009#5394264106154881906

[george]

That rucksac is f*****g brilliant! 2 ropes (on the outside?!), 2 lamps on his helmet. Has he got 2 first aid kits? He's going to bloody well need them with a pack that size slowing him down!

[adrenalin]

some more of him here http://www.facebook.com/#/photo.php?pid=2408390&id=761724460&fbid=140051989460
http://picasaweb.google.co.uk/saulmcintyre/Bleaklow#5396942920882918450