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what is an esoteric squeeze? and a capricious duck?
« on: October 30, 2021, 10:14:05 pm »
having done the esoteric squeeze in question myself, I noticed no notably esoteric features about it besides some mild angular awkwardness
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Re: what is an esoteric squeeze? and a capricious duck?
« Reply #1 on: October 31, 2021, 04:29:46 am »
Eat more chips and drink more beer.   ;)

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Re: what is an esoteric squeeze? and a capricious duck?
« Reply #2 on: October 31, 2021, 07:39:35 am »
One that the original explorers spent too long trying to get through...

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Re: what is an esoteric squeeze? and a capricious duck?
« Reply #3 on: October 31, 2021, 08:01:44 am »
OK, so what's a "capricious duck"?

Is it one that can be wet or dry with no discernable pattern to the weather?
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Re: what is an esoteric squeeze? and a capricious duck?
« Reply #4 on: October 31, 2021, 08:11:44 am »
Probably longer to fill than expected, or full of goat c**p!

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Re: what is an esoteric squeeze? and a capricious duck?
« Reply #5 on: October 31, 2021, 11:10:45 am »
I have significant experience of swimming in goat crap (fermented even); where can you get that very definitely esoteric experience in the UK? Do they keep goat herds on Mendip these days?

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Re: what is an esoteric squeeze? and a capricious duck?
« Reply #6 on: October 31, 2021, 11:19:12 am »
The Iron Maiden in Perryfoot Cave is an esoteric squeeze and no mistake. I did it once will never do it again - refused it twice now.

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Re: what is an esoteric squeeze? and a capricious duck?
« Reply #7 on: October 31, 2021, 11:24:17 am »
I think your classic esoteric squeeze is one you can walk round. Little Meregill is the exemplar.

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Re: what is an esoteric squeeze? and a capricious duck?
« Reply #8 on: October 31, 2021, 06:14:54 pm »
Goats are now kept above priddy green sink (which is an improvement on cowsh avens)

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Re: what is an esoteric squeeze? and a capricious duck?
« Reply #9 on: November 01, 2021, 11:08:38 am »
OK, so what's a "capricious duck"?
A bisexual mallard?
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Re: what is an esoteric squeeze? and a capricious duck?
« Reply #10 on: November 01, 2021, 01:18:56 pm »
Assuming the esoteric squeeze you're referring to is the one that's referred to as such in the NFTFH guide to Prov-Dow (there may be others, but I'll use this one as an example). Then I think esoteric is quite a good description of it - I did the trip with another caver, we reached the choke in question and knew we were looking for an "esoteric squeeze" but couldn't find it. We spotted a handline going up and knew this was a bypass to the squeeze, so we went that way instead. Unfortunately there wasn't a handline on the climb back down the other side, my partner deftly downclimbed the ~8m chimney, which flutes outwards towards the bottom, however I have much less confidence in free-climbs and prefer a good squeeze, so I went back and had another crack at finding the squeeze. We found it basically by having him return back along the passage and getting me to spot his light through the choke.

I think it's "esoteric" in the sense that it's quite obscure; the obvious way on through the choke is straight ahead but it's far too narrow to actually get through, with the actual squeeze being back and to the left, at head height so easy to miss. Because there is an option to bypass the squeeze with a free-climb up and over the choke, people can do the trip without locating the squeeze at all, which means the obscurity persists as it isn't the only way on, and maybe only 50% of the people that do the trip actually know where the squeeze is.

One thing you have to remember about route guides is that the language used to describe caves can be very repetitive, so when you're writing out a description you often reach out for synonyms that are only tenuously relevent to the information you're trying to convey. There's only so many times you can write "the way on is through an obscure squeeze" before you drive yourself insane.
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Re: what is an esoteric squeeze? and a capricious duck?
« Reply #11 on: November 01, 2021, 02:06:16 pm »
OK, so what's a "capricious duck"?
A bisexual mallard?
No, it's probably the "mallard with attitude" from the Giants thread.

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