mesospheric
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Interesting exchange with someone involved in the management of the new North Wales slate landscape UNESCO designation past days.
The designation includes Cwmorthin in its entirety, which was always an obvious and widely-known mine to include. But other mines, which are in arguably much more stable condition overall than Cwmorthin, are not included, either because they were overlooked/unknown to the bureaucrats, or because they were already granted a planning consent to extract.
I asked specifically about Maenofferen. Whilst I'm not aware of any work to untop what is there now, nor do I claim there is any intention to do so (though there may be), it seems that the planning consent already in place means the entirety of the mine could legitimately be destroyed to recover slate. Some already-exposed chambers to the west have already been blasted some years ago, which was itself a great pity, not least for the way they clearly illustrated on the surface how mining was undertaken.
Well, I accept this is a man-made landscape of a destructive nature, and that it's under private ownership. But I'm not at all persuaded that Maenofferen is something that should be lost if - and I stress the if - there might be plans at some stage to untop it further. The only element of this mine known to be considered by the owner and the authorities as being of historical value is the back vein incline and associated structures. I'd hate to see that maybe turned into an incline to an open-air cafe at its foot, called something awful like 'Rock Bottom' or 'Floor B', etc...
I wonder if others have views?
The designation includes Cwmorthin in its entirety, which was always an obvious and widely-known mine to include. But other mines, which are in arguably much more stable condition overall than Cwmorthin, are not included, either because they were overlooked/unknown to the bureaucrats, or because they were already granted a planning consent to extract.
I asked specifically about Maenofferen. Whilst I'm not aware of any work to untop what is there now, nor do I claim there is any intention to do so (though there may be), it seems that the planning consent already in place means the entirety of the mine could legitimately be destroyed to recover slate. Some already-exposed chambers to the west have already been blasted some years ago, which was itself a great pity, not least for the way they clearly illustrated on the surface how mining was undertaken.
Well, I accept this is a man-made landscape of a destructive nature, and that it's under private ownership. But I'm not at all persuaded that Maenofferen is something that should be lost if - and I stress the if - there might be plans at some stage to untop it further. The only element of this mine known to be considered by the owner and the authorities as being of historical value is the back vein incline and associated structures. I'd hate to see that maybe turned into an incline to an open-air cafe at its foot, called something awful like 'Rock Bottom' or 'Floor B', etc...
I wonder if others have views?