chunky
Well-known member
One of the toughest trips I've done, both navigationally and physically at the weekend. Not quite comprehending the complexity of the system I decided to 'pop' to see the Geryon in Ogof Draenen at the weekend. After spending some time exploring around the entrance series we did a 15 1/2 hr round trip to 'Luck Of the Draw'
Interestingly showing the photo's to non caving friends to show off the beauty beneath their feet, one of the first things they commented on was why I would take photographs with litter in the picture.
I explained what the taping was for and after explaining the context of what they were looking at they agreed about the need to protect the environment, but still said that the tape looked out of place, odd and preferred photographs without it. It is a reaction I have had a few times in the past, always from non cavers.
You get a completely different reaction from most cavers when posing the same question as they already understand the context and are acclimatised to seeing the taping in the photographs.
Obviously if photographs are being used as an archive or historic record then the taping should be included.
I was recently asked my personal opinion on this about some of my photographs where taped areas have shown no taping because I have digitally removed it for entry in to competitions or publications & so there lies my position on this.
It really depends on what the photograph is being used for. I always keep copies of the original photograph showing the taping to 'prove' the area wasn't disturbed to create the photograph and in an ideal world this would be fine for display, but on my first year entering the Hidden Earth photo salon I was given feedback from the judges that the taping in a photograph of Tea Junction which showed the red and white tape was a distraction from the composition and that had it been physically or digitally removed from the shot it would improve the shot.
Personally I don't like moving tape and so have learnt how to do this in post process as I do understand that if it is being displayed to an audience who do not understand what they are looking at it can distract from what the picture is trying to portray. Of course sometimes you need the tape to give context to show why a model may be in an 'odd' place within a shot, so it is always a dilemma when trying to display to a wider audience.
Debate and over to you!!!!
Interestingly showing the photo's to non caving friends to show off the beauty beneath their feet, one of the first things they commented on was why I would take photographs with litter in the picture.
I explained what the taping was for and after explaining the context of what they were looking at they agreed about the need to protect the environment, but still said that the tape looked out of place, odd and preferred photographs without it. It is a reaction I have had a few times in the past, always from non cavers.
You get a completely different reaction from most cavers when posing the same question as they already understand the context and are acclimatised to seeing the taping in the photographs.
Obviously if photographs are being used as an archive or historic record then the taping should be included.
I was recently asked my personal opinion on this about some of my photographs where taped areas have shown no taping because I have digitally removed it for entry in to competitions or publications & so there lies my position on this.
It really depends on what the photograph is being used for. I always keep copies of the original photograph showing the taping to 'prove' the area wasn't disturbed to create the photograph and in an ideal world this would be fine for display, but on my first year entering the Hidden Earth photo salon I was given feedback from the judges that the taping in a photograph of Tea Junction which showed the red and white tape was a distraction from the composition and that had it been physically or digitally removed from the shot it would improve the shot.
Personally I don't like moving tape and so have learnt how to do this in post process as I do understand that if it is being displayed to an audience who do not understand what they are looking at it can distract from what the picture is trying to portray. Of course sometimes you need the tape to give context to show why a model may be in an 'odd' place within a shot, so it is always a dilemma when trying to display to a wider audience.
Debate and over to you!!!!