Hi AndrewI was interested to find out a little about your Constitution and Operations Working Group. When you were established as a group, how you might interact or differ from previous similar groups, what your remit was/wasn't and who was a part of the group. However, there is no listing of your group under 'working groups' on the BCA website. I guess this is still to be updated?Can you point me at the information?
The 10.1 motion at the last AGM was proposed by me. It was passed by 90% of the vote. I've not been asked about it since (strange that I wouldn't consulted don't you think). Glad to read that at least someone is acting on it. Keep me posted if you will.Cheers
There's nothing to stop concerned members joining most of the relevant bodies & changing how they work constitutionally.
Structure of the BCAThe BCA is defined in section 1 of the Constitution as ‘a national federation comprising: individuals; caving, mining and other related Clubs; Regional Caving Councils; and National Bodies with specialist interests, all of whom have autonomy in their own field; together with any other bodies who express an interest in caving, mining or other subterranean phenomena.'
SummaryAll of these bodies and individual members are Members of the BCA, and thus all are affected by Section 10.1. Each of these many bodies has different, but sometimes overlapping, areas of interest. Although these bodies are BCA members, they are separate bodies and are not controlled by the BCA nor directly accountable to it.
Quote from: mikem on May 07, 2021, 10:26:48 amThere's nothing to stop concerned members joining most of the relevant bodies & changing how they work constitutionally.(edit - just realised you said 'most', not 'all', but the point remains)Well except that for the regional councils (with the exception, I believe, of DCA) individual members can't actually join them, and therefore can't have a vote on how they work.
One example of the misuse of section 10.1 was when an access controlling body banned under 18s from caves they controlled. When the youth and development group tried to get to the bottom of why, this led to a formal complaint under 10.1 that dragged on for years and ultimately cost the BCA thousands of pounds. 10.1 needs a new more measured and balanced wording that allows some interference, investigations if you like into issues that effect cavers more widely than the narrow focus a small group might have.
Some felt it was perfectly alright to use all sorts of underhand and personal tactics to maintain the status quo which made volunteering quite a trial. Others, as well documented, found the same and left.
I'm happy to join any group meeting to give my views
You may need another vote before you change the BCA's terms of reference.
.....To be fair, I'm pretty sure the organisation in previous question don't make any calls on BCA funding.
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