Two empires, both guilty of unspeakable things in their time. Both should be remembered for what they were rather than celebrated under the cover of patriotism and tradition.
And what does being proud of being 'British' even mean?
Appreciate the good things, yes, of course, but pride? What have you or I done to create those things?
As far as I am aware, the LNATP is an event that you either (1) get a ticket to or (2) watch on TV. There may be other options I haven’t considered but I’m pretty sure that covers most situations. If you don’t like it, don’t buy a fucking ticket or turn off the telly!
‘I am proud that our society allows people of all sexualities to live freely without fear of reprisal.’
Quote from: aardgoose on September 16, 2021, 05:23:55 pmAnd what does being proud of being 'British' even mean? I can elaborate on that:- I am proud to be part of a society where I can criticise the government without fear of reprisal (compare China, Russia, Belaurus, Turkey for a start).- People are free to study without regard to gender (compare a good part of the islamic world)- People generally respect the law and the law enforcement agencies.- The electricity and water that come to my house do so reliably.- We have a world class health service that is free at the point of consumption.- We are free to change our rulers every 4-5 years.- We have a free press.- Our society took on the Nazi regime at huge cost. And prevailed.- I am proud that our society allowed the flourishing of such luminaries as Newton, Maxwell, Graham-Bell, Swan, Darwin, Sophie Wilson, Whittle.- I am proud that our legal system is among the best in the world.- I am proud that our society allows people of all sexualities to live freely without fear of reprisal.And the list goes on.I for one am incredibly grateful that I live at this point in history and in this society. And I am proud of everything that my forefathers have achieved.Of course, you can pick holes in everything I say. I feel sorry for you, you must be such a positive person.Chris.
Quote‘I am proud that our society allows people of all sexualities to live freely without fear of reprisal.’You support a government that enacted section 28, opposed gay marriage (it only passed on votes from the opposition), the new 'Culture Secretary' opposed it, the current "prime" minster is openly homophobic. UK democracy is under threat, and is certainly broken. I am seriously fearful about the future of this country, and my safety in it. You and others say we should look forward, and not agonise about the past, fine, but I don't where we are heading.The future is what terrifies me, because this country is heading backward in terms of rights and freedoms. Where the Goebbelesque 'Will of the People' is used to justify the destruction of what little good remains in this country. You only have to look at Hungry or Poland to see where this is going, and they haven't hit the bottom yet.Patriotism is used as a weapon, the national flag is used as a political symbol, to me it represents the worst of this country, the antediluvian bigots of the Tory party, the crypto fascist UKIP, EDL etc. A patriot would not support the current government.The enemies of the UK would though, and do.
Presumably you haven't heard of the Health & Social Care Bill currently passing through parliament which will drive the last nail into the coffin of the NHS? You might want to start saving now for the fast-looming day when you have to pay privately for your healthcare and the UK goes the same way as the USA with paying for hospital bills the biggest cause of bankruptcy in the latter.
I'm pro-union - abolish the lot IMO. It's Great Britain and that's it. Or just Britain if we're still up for the downgrade
we don't do it more.I don't know the ins and outs of it. But I do know the cost of the NHS is (and has been for decades) rising way faster than inflation.Have a read of this:https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-42572110It is clearly not possible to keep just paying more and more. Something has to be done. I don't know what, but I do know it won't be popular!Chris.
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