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mulucaver

Member
Maj said:
Approx 1,300 pints of Potholer drunk, which was the beer that ran out first.
By the end of the weekend, there was a minimal quantity of the 720 pints of Bitter Bully/Gorge Best left.
A similar story from Burnley last year.
So I think I'm fairly safe in saying that one of the most popular beers amongst cavers is Potholer and will therefore most likely be available at HE-2014.
But I'm sure that the Bar Team will take into account any recommendations/suggestions for future conferences.
Maj.
They drank what was there. That doesn't mean it was decent beer! I'm not a beer expert or a huge consumer but I know what I like the taste of. The pub I stayed in served Reverand James and that was excellent. My normal drink is Ruddles County.
I don't know the logistics involved in transporting and serving beer, maybe not having time to let it settle doesn't allow you to serve real ale so you're stuck with keg beer. Perhaps some of our expert beer drinkers can come up with better alternatives.
 

estelle

Member
nothing wrong with Potholer as a beer and it always seems to sell very well at conferences and haven't noticed it tastes any different travelled across the country to what it does on Mendip!
 

Les W

Active member
mulucaver said:
I don't know the logistics involved in transporting and serving beer, maybe not having time to let it settle doesn't allow you to serve real ale so you're stuck with keg beer. Perhaps some of our expert beer drinkers can come up with better alternatives.

We do not serve Keg Beer, it is ALL real ale! :read:

The difference is that most of our beer is "bright". This means it is drawn from the cask at the brewery and therefore does not need to settle as all the sediment is in the original cask. This beer has a relatively short life due to this but it is still real ale, just with the sediment removed. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bright_beer "Dropping bright".

There is no difference in this beer from a taste or serving point of view. It has just been drawn from the settled cask, same as any real ale, but instead of pouring directly into a glass for drinking, it is poured into a new cask and transported to us, then poured into a glass and drunk.

As for which beer is good, I know that we have on several occasions (pretty much every year) supplied a "local brew" which was recommended by the locals, yet it never sells until all the Potholer has gone. this tells me that the vast majority of delegates prefer Potholer to the alternative local brew...

Perhaps you are one of the few that do not  :-\
 

Bottlebank

New member
Must admit I'm not a regular conference attendee but on the last couple of occasions I've had reservations about how long the beer has been settling and how it's been handled, especially on the first night and I know other people have felt the same. Thanks Les!
 

Les W

Active member
Bottlebank said:
Must admit I'm not a regular conference attendee but on the last couple of occasions I've had reservations about how long the beer has been settling and how it's been handled, especially on the first night and I know other people have felt the same. Thanks Les!

Bright beer needs no settlement time and can be handled roughly because of that.
The downside of bright beer is because all the sediment has been removed it will not keep for as long, so unsold beer cannot be returned to the brewery, as it won't have the shelf life to distribute it out to other customers.
The life of bright beer is something like a week if its kept cool and sealed, but once tapped it will go off the same as a sedimented beer will. For our weekend event this is not a problem, our casks, once taped are consumed in hours, not days.

We do, as a back up, have a few casks of sedimented beer that can be returned to the brewery if untapped.
These are racked onto the stillages on Friday afternoon and left untouched. They are only tapped if all the bright beer is sold, they will normally not get tapped until late Saturday evening when they will have had something like 28 to 30 hours on the stillages and will be identical to the bright beer...  (y)
 

pwhole

Well-known member
Personally, the 'beer festival' element is mainly why I've stopped going to Hidden Earth. If you don't drink, it's largely a goddamn nightmare once the talks are done, just watching everyone get twatted and having drunks bump into you constantly and tread on your toes, openly fart near you, etc. etc. And don't get me started on the music...

I spent most of my last Monmouth HE evenings sat by the river watching the swans, as it was far more fun.

Anyway, I hope the talks went well, despite the beer.
 

Bottlebank

New member
28-30 hours isn't really long enough - and they should be tapped at least a day before use - tapping at last minute stirs up the sediment.

Have you considered getting in a chiller trailer - the local beer festival here uses one and it works a lot better - you can also revert to "non" bright beer, simply park it up a few days in advance. They aren't too expensive to rent a small one - http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Refrigerated-Trailer-Hire-Fridge-Chiller-Cold-Store-Breakdown-Quick-Response-/290972465009

The other thing that may help is vertical stillage?

 

Bottlebank

New member
Oh - and if you are looking for a suggestion for leek try - http://www.bridestone.com/CBH/

Shane supplied us for a party last year at Alderley - he was really helpful and very reasonable - especially given that we made him deliver Engine Vein beer to the bottom of Engine Vein  ;)
 

Les W

Active member
Bottlebank said:
28-30 hours isn't really long enough - and they should be tapped at least a day before use - tapping at last minute stirs up the sediment.

28-30 hours is more than enough time, Potholer falls bright in only a few hours, normally 4 to 5. This is not the same as your rubbish northern beers, this is southern quality beer...  :tease:

Whilst tapping does disturb the sediment it is only minor if it is done carefully and is not apparent in the beer that is poured. By the time you get lower into the cask the beer is fully settled again.

Bottlebank said:
Have you considered getting in a chiller trailer - the local beer festival here uses one and it works a lot better - you can also revert to "non" bright beer, simply park it up a few days in advance. They aren't too expensive to rent a small one - http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Refrigerated-Trailer-Hire-Fridge-Chiller-Cold-Store-Breakdown-Quick-Response-/290972465009

There are logistical issues with locating trailers of beer onto school sites several days in advance. There is no good reason to do this anyway as bright beer tastes exactly the same as sedimented beer once its poured into a glass.  :beer:

Also, why would we want to "chill" real ale? It is supposed to be served at room temperature. I reckon you might be a closet lager drinker...  :tease:

Bottlebank said:
The other thing that may help is vertical stillage?

Vertical stillage will require investment in pumps and lines, these will need to be cleaned regullarly and maintained. What we do at the moment works fine, so I don't see the issue...  :-\

Bottlebank said:
Oh - and if you are looking for a suggestion for leek try - http://www.bridestone.com/CBH/

Shane supplied us for a party last year at Alderley - he was really helpful and very reasonable - especially given that we made him deliver Engine Vein beer to the bottom of Engine Vein  ;)

Not sure who we used in Leek before but we have used a local brewery there before, remember the "Devils Arse"? It was a fine brew too...

Our bar manager will source the beer, and he will take on board all your comments and advice, but in the end he will do what he thinks is best.  (y)
 

Bottlebank

New member
Set your chiller to about 11 or twelve degrees. Room temperature, as with wine, does not refer to a centrally heated room or one filled with several hundred sweating cavers :)

"Closet" lager drinker my arse!

Give your bars manager my best on a job well done. It must be difficult for him/her - it's so hard to get decent bosses :)
 

Les W

Active member
Bottlebank said:
"Closet" lager drinker my arse!

So are you not admitting to enjoying the odd tipple of San Miguel then...  :tease:

Bottlebank said:
Give your bars manager my best on a job well done. It must be difficult for him/her - it's so hard to get decent bosses :)

Pretty sure the Bar Manager will read this, he is a regular on here. As to his opinion on bosses, well, I'll leave that to him...  ;)
 

Bottlebank

New member
Les W said:
So are you not admitting to enjoying the odd tipple of San Miguel then...  :tease:

I can only take two glasses of the stuff! Fortunately the lack of real beer out there is made up for by the quality and low price of the wine  :ras:
 

Fulk

Well-known member
Personally, the 'beer festival' element is mainly why I've stopped going to Hidden Earth.


I take your point, pwhole, about being a non-drinker at HE.

On the other hand, I was one of the bar staff at HE, and I spent a fair bit of time wandering round, gathering up empty glasses, mopping up the odd bit of spillage, as well as serving behind the bar, and I have to say that I witnessed no boorish, loutish behaviour . . . which, given the amount of booze drunk by so many people, I think reflects well on the people there.

(And, speaking as-a-dyed in the wool, born-and-bred northerner, I like Potholer beer.)
 

IanWalker

Active member
potholer is a fine session ale and suits the HE serving style very well. having run club events in the past and served at a bar with bright beers, all i can say is keep up the good work!  :bow:
 

ianball11

Active member
pwhole said:
Personally, the 'beer festival' element is mainly why I've stopped going to Hidden Earth. If you don't drink, it's largely a goddamn nightmare once the talks are done, just watching everyone get twatted and having drunks bump into you constantly and tread on your toes, openly fart near you, etc. etc. And don't get me started on the music...

I spent most of my last Monmouth HE evenings sat by the river watching the swans, as it was far more fun.

Anyway, I hope the talks went well, despite the beer.

It's not for me either, but morning yoga sounded brilliant.
 

pwhole

Well-known member
Yes, I can certainly confirm I never witnessed any boorish or loutish behaviour - in the bar at least. Most people were pleasantly pissed, rather than unpleasant, and any bumping/farting was generally accidental - but the Stomp was different. I witnessed several bare-chested punch-ups flare up and subside over the last hour, as they usually do in that atmosphere. And a nice bloody head-butt was dished out later on in the evening to some other unfortunate who was looking at someone's girlfriend 'wrongly' or 'too longly' - or something. Five minutes later he couldn't even remember doing it.

What with the 'wet t-shirt nite' mentality thrown in for good measure, it reminded me of an average Fresher's night when I was at Uni more than anything, with 'not being able to hold one's drink' being the price of admission. I used to avoid those too, and I still drank myself then.

Anyway, presumably the conference went well? It was a shame to miss the chat, but it's a long way for day trips. Hopefully I can manage the Leek one, and bring something good to the table.
 
Cap'n Chris said:
You got a mention  :)
Yes, I'll be writing to Mr Pitlamp when I get a moment.  The competition results and the awards and credits will be on the web site soon, but it takes a surprisingly long time to double-check everything and to check the spellings. (Of course none of that matters when the names etc flash up on the screen briefly at the closing ceremony).
 

Antwan

Member
There my excellent books Ian so I cant see why he wouldn't have a use for them, every caver should have one, two or even three!  :LOL:
 
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