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2xw
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I love Facebook. Let's me communicate with people I find it difficult to stay in touch with. And I run an arachnology group that has a far, far wider general reach than the forum (which we also have). As others have noted it also gives folk access to actual experts on a more personable level.
Imo the BCA should be paying Facebook for advertising if it wants to recruit more cavers generally, as should any club who's objectives are the same. It's just how the world is now. And of course they want people to pay - it's a business.
Then again, Facebook is for old people - have you considered getting a UKC tiktok?
Imo the BCA should be paying Facebook for advertising if it wants to recruit more cavers generally, as should any club who's objectives are the same. It's just how the world is now. And of course they want people to pay - it's a business.
Then again, Facebook is for old people - have you considered getting a UKC tiktok?
pwhole
Well-known member
I've heard that Friends Reunited is quite good for reuniting with your friends
But seriously, I think a lot of this would be resolved by introducing payments - much of the bullshit around social media is the contradictions and moral ambiguities around the funding stream. To keep it 'free' to users means screwing over a shitload of non-users (we're always the last to know, even when we're involved in the news) and over-reliance on advertising, much of which simply doesn't work - as in, you don't actually buy the product or service that they want you to buy. Paying for access would make it so much clearer who gets what and why. And 90% of their users would disappear overnight, making it much easier to communicate effectively. Facebook is like hula-hoops, the Bay City Rollers, 'Aceeed' and Downton Abbey - it's a current trend, sold by trendmongers, and you gets what you pays for, in every sense.
Anyway, as it's Friday, here's a quote from 'The Adventures of Greggary Peccary', by Frank Zappa. Well worth a listen but I'll not post the link for fear of causing a rage of Hunchmen - and Hunchwomen :halo:
(but play the 2012 remaster)
And with that, GREGGERY turned and strode nonchalantly into his dinky little office with the desk and the catalog and the very hip water pipe, and proceeded, with a vigor and determination known only to piglets of a similarly diminutive proportion, to single-handedly invent THE CALENDAR!
With his eyes rolled heaven-ward, and his little shiny pig-hoofs on the desk, GREGGERY ponders the question of ETERNITY (and fractional divisions thereof), as mysterious ANGELIC VOICES sing to him from a great distance, providing the necessary clues for the construction of this thrilling new TREND!
Angelic Voices:
SUNDAY
Greggery:
Sunday?
WOW!
SUNDAY, SATURDAY . . . TUESDAY THROUGH
'MONDAY?MONDAY'!
SUNDAY, SATURDAY
Narrator:
And thus THE CALENDAR, in all of its colorful disguises was presented to the bored & miserable people everywhere!
GREGGERY issued a memo on it, whereupon the entire contents of the Steno Pool identified with it STRENUOUSLY, and WORSHIPPED IT as a WAY OF LIFE, and took their little pills by it, and went back 'n forth from work by it, and paid their rent by it, and before long they were even having BIRTHDAY PARTIES IN THE OFFICE by it, because NOW, AT LAST, GREGGERY PECCARY's exciting new invention had made it possible for everyone to find out HOW OLD THEY WERE!
But seriously, I think a lot of this would be resolved by introducing payments - much of the bullshit around social media is the contradictions and moral ambiguities around the funding stream. To keep it 'free' to users means screwing over a shitload of non-users (we're always the last to know, even when we're involved in the news) and over-reliance on advertising, much of which simply doesn't work - as in, you don't actually buy the product or service that they want you to buy. Paying for access would make it so much clearer who gets what and why. And 90% of their users would disappear overnight, making it much easier to communicate effectively. Facebook is like hula-hoops, the Bay City Rollers, 'Aceeed' and Downton Abbey - it's a current trend, sold by trendmongers, and you gets what you pays for, in every sense.
Anyway, as it's Friday, here's a quote from 'The Adventures of Greggary Peccary', by Frank Zappa. Well worth a listen but I'll not post the link for fear of causing a rage of Hunchmen - and Hunchwomen :halo:
(but play the 2012 remaster)
And with that, GREGGERY turned and strode nonchalantly into his dinky little office with the desk and the catalog and the very hip water pipe, and proceeded, with a vigor and determination known only to piglets of a similarly diminutive proportion, to single-handedly invent THE CALENDAR!
With his eyes rolled heaven-ward, and his little shiny pig-hoofs on the desk, GREGGERY ponders the question of ETERNITY (and fractional divisions thereof), as mysterious ANGELIC VOICES sing to him from a great distance, providing the necessary clues for the construction of this thrilling new TREND!
Angelic Voices:
SUNDAY
Greggery:
Sunday?
WOW!
SUNDAY, SATURDAY . . . TUESDAY THROUGH
'MONDAY?MONDAY'!
SUNDAY, SATURDAY
Narrator:
And thus THE CALENDAR, in all of its colorful disguises was presented to the bored & miserable people everywhere!
GREGGERY issued a memo on it, whereupon the entire contents of the Steno Pool identified with it STRENUOUSLY, and WORSHIPPED IT as a WAY OF LIFE, and took their little pills by it, and went back 'n forth from work by it, and paid their rent by it, and before long they were even having BIRTHDAY PARTIES IN THE OFFICE by it, because NOW, AT LAST, GREGGERY PECCARY's exciting new invention had made it possible for everyone to find out HOW OLD THEY WERE!
2xw said:Imo the BCA should be paying Facebook for advertising if it wants to recruit more cavers generally, as should any club who's objectives are the same. It's just how the world is now. And of course they want people to pay - it's a business.
Then again, Facebook is for old people - have you considered getting a UKC tiktok?
When I was BCA P&I I suggested paying for adverts on facebook. Not to attract more cavers, I don't think that would work, however it would help BCA communicate and engage with cavers. BCA are however welcome to use UKC for free, UKC is not a business and is not run for profit.
Tiktok? Yes maybe we should, however we don't have the time, simple as that.
2xw
Active member
Whilst I love ripping on the BCA as much as anyone, I tried to get a "BCA Conservation" account on UKC (which I did email about last year) when I took up the post, which failed, and I've just tried again, which again failed as I haven't been able to verify the account. So it's not an intentional snubbing, more that we haven't actually been able to sign up. I think Rostam might be having similar issues.
2xw said:
Feels like you're ripping UKC at the moment. We don't have the billions FB does, it's me, Tim and a great, voluntary moderation team. You know me as does Rostam - if you are having problems why not PM me, or even give me a call (you have my number) and you know I will try hard to solve any issues.
Edit - just found the account in 'awaiting activation' file and have activated it - try now.
Cheers, Jane
aricooperdavis
Moderator
Sorry that we haven't got the autoposting from the BCA website to the forum working yet - I've not intentionally prioritised Facebook, it just has an API to work with which makes automated posting easy in a way that SMF doesn't (out of the box, at least). I'm working on it, just also juggling a million and 1 other BCA jobs at the same time!
nearlywhite
Active member
As Will says, I've been having trouble actually getting a second activated account for P&I. I raised the autoposting issue with Ari when I realised but we have both been somewhat busy of late.
Auto posting is the way forward and uses multiple social mediums I don't keep track of. The real issue is a lack of volunteer support in P&I. If anyone fancies giving me a hand and we have a load of good tools and data to bring people together.
I can even give you decent data on the reach of various caving news sources, but I ought to go back to the grindstone.
Auto posting is the way forward and uses multiple social mediums I don't keep track of. The real issue is a lack of volunteer support in P&I. If anyone fancies giving me a hand and we have a load of good tools and data to bring people together.
I can even give you decent data on the reach of various caving news sources, but I ought to go back to the grindstone.
