Browns Folly Quarry / Mine - ongoing deliberate destruction
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jasonbirder
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Is that Landowners...or just other South-Western based Mine-Explorers?
royfellows
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popeass1 said:
What about accepting something as a fact in good faith?
I could tell you that I own a very rare, 1960s, Breitling wrist watch.
Would you take it as a fact because I told you that it is in my ownership, or from the horses mouth as saying goes, or would you have to see it before you accepted it as a fact?
popeass1
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I have no reason to believe you don't own the watch Roy, however if you asked me to wire you some money in exchange for it I'd definitely want to see it first!
How about if someone else told me you owned the watch, and I went around telling everyone "Roy fellows owns this rare watch" then you denied it, would it still be true you owned it?
I couldn't substantiate that you owned it without seeing it, so it would be hearsay. However if had seen it in your possession, I could probably state it as a fact, although even then possession doesn't signify ownership.
How about if someone else told me you owned the watch, and I went around telling everyone "Roy fellows owns this rare watch" then you denied it, would it still be true you owned it?
I couldn't substantiate that you owned it without seeing it, so it would be hearsay. However if had seen it in your possession, I could probably state it as a fact, although even then possession doesn't signify ownership.
royfellows
Well-known member
popeass1 said:
I like.
Anyway, back on thread.
Its been years since I was last down, but on one occasion I went to enter the mine by way of muddy hole and found it blocked.
Now to me that is fact, but in me recounting this to readers of my posting it is hearsay, yes.
So a degree of judgment has to be exercised. That's my take on it anyway.
MonkeyCaver
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I will try.todcaver said:
"Blocked, Locked, Trapped" Who has been blocked, locked or trapped? I fail to see how any could be. I assure everyone there are no blockages just deflections. Locked? I know at least 6 ways into this quarry. Only one of them ever had a lock on it, two were barred off and the other 3 never have been locked or closed so how anyone can possible of been any of the three things you mention is kinda beyond me unless they are inexperienced explorers without the correct gear, in which case that would be their own fault would it not?. Brian would always be happy to help anyone in the situations you mention. So please stop portraying him as a bad being.
"Power tripper"? DO you mean Brian? . He is a man with NO! ego. He has only a passionate desire to protect the quarry for future generations so is certainly not on any power trip, fact!
FTR he has been reported to the police, the yobs did it to cause him troubles and troubles they sure caused! They are sick to treat a human this way when all he does is try to protect something he cares about.
When are you and people like you going to stop looking for negative solutions to this? Has he not took enough punishment? For what? Caring! It takes positive actions to make things good again. Everyone needs to stop fighting.
There are so many ways in to the quarry. Also there is no point of interest on the map that can not be reached with a little exploration. OK the maps are slightly different to how they were printed but jeez, most folk dont even have a map they just listen to what they have been told then go and act on it. Maybe this is a reason they think they were blocked locked and trapped?
Brains
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Well said. Many groups have "interest" in this site. One group has made no secret of the fact that they "repaired/restored" muddy hole to a smaller size after it was dug out in order to prevent wholesale theft of the railtrack.
As part of this they initially kept the route wetted down to make it less appealing to random chavs. This has been continued to deter the tea light navigators... When the vandals have glued up the locks that were on the former gate at Shakespeares entrance the MH route would be fouled to make access from the inside to the locks unpleasent in the extreme. The vandals have also tried to trap the caretaker by walling him in, as well as breaking car windows, scratching car paint work and gluing of car locks.
As part of this they initially kept the route wetted down to make it less appealing to random chavs. This has been continued to deter the tea light navigators... When the vandals have glued up the locks that were on the former gate at Shakespeares entrance the MH route would be fouled to make access from the inside to the locks unpleasent in the extreme. The vandals have also tried to trap the caretaker by walling him in, as well as breaking car windows, scratching car paint work and gluing of car locks.
Brains
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The always open entrances are on a different owners land. The ones on AWT land were either permanently barred or like Shakespears supposed to be kept locked. Permissive access to it was negotiated with AWT for the on going conservation work. Vandals decided to cut open the barred entrances and completly remove AWTs gate from Shakespears.
It is never appropriate to block someone in, even if you think they are the caretaker. However in a multi entrance site it is at least advisable to know of the other entrances. I do not know if ant body has made an official complaint about this specifically, but the Police are getting wary of responding as the vandals have frequently tried to get them to harass the caretaker
It is never appropriate to block someone in, even if you think they are the caretaker. However in a multi entrance site it is at least advisable to know of the other entrances. I do not know if ant body has made an official complaint about this specifically, but the Police are getting wary of responding as the vandals have frequently tried to get them to harass the caretaker
MonkeyCaver
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One was locked because that was how it was with AWT. Brian was given permission to use the gate only. It was not his choice to lock the gate it was AWT, and I think you will realise the reason is more about access to count the bats.todcaver said:
How do you mean block the entrance? Padlock a gate that should of been locked? Maybe replace a bar that was otherwise cut away with vandalism? Sometimes doing the right thing may cause a wrong effect but it has to be done. Brian would always help anyone find their way out. I can not think of other ways to block someone in unless you collapse the roof?
Why would anyone go into an underground environment without the right gear unless they were asking for trouble? To do so would make it their fault, yes! Especially if you enter through an opening that is clearly meant to be closed to public access.
royfellows
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I am wondering if the Brians Folly FB constitutes an offence under the Protection from Harassment Act 1997.
http://www.cps.gov.uk/legal/s_to_u/stalking_and_harassment/#a02a
On the face of it, I would say that it is an avenue worth pursuing. If anyone reading this is close to Brian, then go for it and good luck.
EDIT
Straight to the point:
https://www.citizensadvice.org.uk/discrimination/taking-action-about-discrimination/taking-action-about-harassment/
http://www.cps.gov.uk/legal/s_to_u/stalking_and_harassment/#a02a
On the face of it, I would say that it is an avenue worth pursuing. If anyone reading this is close to Brian, then go for it and good luck.
EDIT
Straight to the point:
https://www.citizensadvice.org.uk/discrimination/taking-action-about-discrimination/taking-action-about-harassment/
RobinGriffiths
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Do we know who's behind the Brian's Folly page? Certainly there are some antagonistic comments towards Brian on 28 days later. If the instigator can be 'outed' then they might go to ground.
Robin
Robin
Disgusted from Cornwall.
New member
Just seal it up, bats and all.
royfellows
Well-known member
I will be very honest about this. One of the reasons why I take my own advice and keep away is because if I were to meet the yobs spraying paint everywhere I simply do not trust myself. I cannot be more honest than that.
Everyone has a point at which they will loose it, there are more than one possible players out there, read some of the posts on DP.
Everyone has a point at which they will loose it, there are more than one possible players out there, read some of the posts on DP.
