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blackholesun

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(Off topic here)

Pitlamp - It's not a road tax.

No, you don't need to pay VED to have your car on the road. Not if it produces <100g of CO2 per km.

It pays for the roads no more directly than it pays for the NHS care of those affected by the pollution. In fact, it'd be more sensible to call it an emissions tax as that is what it is linked to. However, that would still be wrong. It's just a tax, like all the others.

Churchill: "Entertainments may be taxed; public houses may be taxed...and the yield devoted to the general revenue. But motorists are to be privileged for all time to have the tax on motors devoted to roads? This is an outrage upon...common sense."

I wouldn't normally comment on a seemingly minor point, but this near 100 year old misunderstanding is still shouted out windows at cyclists and pedestrians by drivers who believe, partly due to paying VED, that they should have exclusive rights to the road. This attitude can allow some to adopt an even more callous attitude to the safety of those not in armoured metal containers by thinking that they have no right be there in the first place.
 
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robjones

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Bicycles (and horses, pedestrians, pogo sticks etc etc) pay exactly the same VED as other forms of road transport that produce <100g CO2 per km.

And the great majority of cyclists probably also own a car and most will have already paid VED on that form of transport...

VED is, I agree, something in the nature of a vehicle emissions tax. It is also something in the nature of a wear-and tear on the highway surface sort of tax - only the graduated nature of it over penalises lightweight vehicles and is proportionately much lower for very large / heavy vehicles.

VED would be much better abolished and merged into general taxation.
 
Pitlamp

Pitlamp

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I really don't want to get into an argument with spokies - that's not at all what this topic is about.

As far as large numbers of the road tax payers are concerned, it's a road tax.

Anyway, this is immaterial now as the deadline for objections has passed. So I don't intend to contribute further to this one. I just hope enough cavers have made the small effort to do their bit for common sense.

 
pwhole

pwhole

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At our monthly meeting last night we discussed this, and it appears that Hope and Bradwell are also on the list for this 'initiative' - I don't have any documents yet, but I'm sure they'll be made available soon. Of course, there are plenty of (usually empty) fields around these two villages too, so I can see a ?3 'overflow parking' scheme becoming quite popular, especially if a ride into town on a hay-wagon is thrown in to induce the fatties.

I would have thought the best alternative solution (from the council's perspective) would be to buy another nearby field, tarmac it and turn it into another car-park, doubling or tripling capacity, and then reduce the overall parking fees by half to increase demand. So you get an hour for 50p, two hours for a quid, and a full day for ?3. If farmers in an area like that can suddenly drop 300 cars in on any day, then it suggests to me that their sheep have far too much grazing land for their actual needs, and it would be better used for the genuine economic interest of the town, which is flogging ice-cream, beer, earrings, and (more importantly to us) getting them into the showcaves.
 
Pitlamp

Pitlamp

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Bradwell and Hope too? It's like a creeping cancer isn't it?
How long will it be before all our favourite spots become no go areas?

Why can't they just leave things as they are? I've always been fond of buying Christmas presents in Castleton but I'll not be in future if I'm expected to waste money in a parking meter unnecessarily.

Anyway, let's see what the outcome is. Anyone know when it'll be announced?
 
Mrs Trellis

Mrs Trellis

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John, you could always park in't George and partake of some refreshment.

On December 11th we sing the village carols there.
 
Moose

Moose

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Pitlamp said:
As far as large numbers of the road tax payers are concerned, it's a road tax.
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What you need Pitlamp is to own a vehicle where VED doesn't apply  :-\
 
2xw

2xw

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tony from suffolk said:
If parking's a problem there, you can easily go to the Mendips instead. Here to help...
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What would we do two weeks later when we'd finished it all?  ;)
 
droid

droid

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2xw said:
tony from suffolk said:
If parking's a problem there, you can easily go to the Mendips instead. Here to help...
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What would we do two weeks later when we'd finished it all?  ;)
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Drink a gallon of Roger Wilkins' cider and you'll forget everything.....
 
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steviet_scg

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[quote name="tony from suffolk" post=267598 timestamp=1473063932]
If parking's a problem there, you can easily go to the Mendips instead. Here to help...
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What would we do two weeks later when we'd finished it all?  ;)

Start digging ....

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alastairgott

alastairgott

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the saga continues...

Dcc have deferred their decision to november due to the amount of complaints, but it would be great to get more to them :)

This week on Friday 14th October there will be a meeting of the peak district national park authority (who are also against, and will probably be putting forward planning objections).

This meeting will be open to the public and will be held at 10am, friday 14th oct.
address: Board Room, Aldern House, Barlow Road, Bakewell. DE45 1AE.

More details may be found here http://www.castletonvillage.co.uk and will probably be updated regularly.

I will try and get the day off work.


Please see item 13 on the agenda https://democracy.peakdistrict.gov.uk/ieListDocuments.aspx?CId=132&MId=1450&Ver=4
 
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heavypetal

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Submitted another rejection letter to Mike Ashworth! Al, I'm free on Friday more or less, let me know if you're stuck or want to travel over.
 
alastairgott

alastairgott

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Terry, I've now secured the day off. thinking of Staying out, then at least I save a bit of time travelling in the morning rush (Glossop and Stockport can both be a pain in the morning).

Item number 13 (I guess) will be heard later on.

If anyone wants to send any more objections to the meeting of the Planners (for the national park) then let me know.

Their document (for the agenda) already seems to be quite comprehensive but if you have any ideas of any things they've missed then it would be great to hear them.  see linked agenda item 13 here https://democracy.peakdistrict.gov.uk/documents/s13204/TN.pdf
 
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