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Cave Conservation Rewards

Badlad

Administrator
Staff member
Two West Yorkshire based cavers decided to have a clean up in and around Wharfedale, in a little known cave near Kettlewell.
Two full bags of phone wire, digging equipment, old boiler suits and the like were dragged out after a few hours worth of hard work underground.
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Well done lads  :halo: - whoever you are  ;)!
 

adam

Member
Went wombling down Ibbeth Peril on Sunday with some folks from the East Pennine Outdoor Club (Whoooooooooooooo?)

Being a flood sink there was all sorts of interesting clobber in there, apart from the usual wrappers, bags and farm plastic. In two sack-fulls, some of the more unusual finds included two trainers, two camping gas bottles (one full), a comb, a candle, an old brown medicine bottle and a jif lemon. I expect the next flood will deposit a fresh selection of gubbins, but it looks a lot nicer for the time being.

There were a couple of dumps of digging paraphernalia which we didn't take out. They looked pretty doubtful but thought I should ask around before moving them. Does anyone know who they might belong to?

We also tried our hand at assessing the condition of some of the lovely formations for the Northern Caves Monitoring Scheme.





 

adam

Member
Yeah, it still had some vaguely lemony liquid inside it, though I wasn't brave enough to taste it  :yucky:
 

Pete K

Well-known member
So, I'm not sure if this counts as conservation in the mainstream but it does in my head. Just posting to keep the thread up at the top really.
Today a team of instructors from the Snowdonia area and myself on day release from the Peak headed over to Bwlch y Plwm lead mine near Porthmadog. A few weeks ago I'd been in with some friends and really enjoyed the through trip but had this feeling of sadness that the mine was riddled with old corroding bolts and lots of rusted maillons. The site had seen some excellent bolting in the past but a number of the pitches were reliant on poor anchors of mixed metals which just looked like a dogs dinner. There is no real BCA backed bolting scheme in the area so it falls to users to make these trips happen. As I had the kit and experience I came up with a plan to remove and replace the corroded anchors and have a bit of a litter pick at the same time. That got us to today.
A small team assembled in the hail and grimly geared up with what felt like 100kg of bolts and drilling/grinding gear. First stop was the top entrance, a sweaty but cold walk up the hill from the parking. The top adit had a collection of alloy hangers with steel bolts and seized maillons and karabiners. Mixed metal corrosion had got these to a pretty poor state. We removed or cut everything out apart from the 2 good resin pitch head bolts. The removed anchors were replaced with new stainless steel resin bolts, half donated by me and half by Andy of SerenVentures. The mine is typically done as a pull through and the pitch here had an old rope and maillon for the purpose. We installed a new pull through set-up with 8mm stainless steel chain and maillons. The 10m pitch can be rigged for SRT or pull through off good anchors now. We left the rope in situ for now as I need to contact the owner but I hope to have it removed soon.
The second pitch down is a 30m and was fairly well bolted. We added another anchor on the far side of the shaft to make traverses more secure and installed a second stainless steel chain for pull through or SRT rigging. No anchors needed removing here but again, an original rope was left until claimed.
We made our way through the remainder of the trip down to the Deep Adit checking anchors on route and was pleased to see it was less cluttered with rusty bolts. A bit of litter picking, water channeling and pitch gardening took us to the exit passage where we met the other 2 team members who had been clearing a year's worth of leafy debris from the adit mouth and restoring the original water level from thigh deep to welly deep. Not bone dry but far better!
We're all professional cavers and felt that this venue needed some attention as it is a known group site but also it just looked unloved. Previous anchor installers have made a good trip here and we have just tidied it up and made things a bit safer. I'd highly recommend a visit here if you are passing, even if just a walk in the Deep Adit.
We've more work planned in other mines in the area soon. Just need to get hold of some drag trays for litter clearing first.

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Ahhh, why can I not figure out getting photos to display??
https://www.flickr.com/photos/peakinstruction/23166060192/
 

royfellows

Well-known member
This is just a polite heads up regarding ongoing underground work in central Wales. The stimulus for this posting is the "If in doubt bring it out", the activity on this thread, and the recent removal of private property from the Frongoch mine near Pontrhydygroes. The later was subsequently returned to the mine along with a very patronising and inappropriate message.

Please note:

All Cwmystwyth mines belong to Cambrian Mines Trust, Frongoch and Goginan mines belong to a private landowners where either me personally or CMT are authorised to perform underground works. Henfwlch, Alltycrib (Talybont), and Temple Mine (Devils Bridge) belong to NRW with whom there is an agreement with Cave Access Ltd and periodic safety maintenance work is being carried out for which I have taken personal responsibility.
Dinas Silica Mine in south Wales belongs to Natural Amenities Ltd.

Underground work in Lefel Fawr, Cwmystwyth is expected to start in the new year following SAM approval, notices will be posted as appropriate and warning given on this and other websites. But in brief, if anyone wants to remove my empty pop bottles and food wrappers I will consider it a favour, but ropes, hangers, tools, buckets, and building materials etc should be left as is, their removal will constitute common theft.

Where these sites are concerned policy should be 'if in doubt tell Roy about it' as is being done now quite regularly, and I am grateful for the input.

roy@royfellows.uk

Easy enough to remember.

 

Bratchley

New member
Sorry if it's not quite enough for a reward but i'll mention it anyway as it's generally interesting.

Whilst cave diving in Pridhamsleighs 30m deep lake sump through to Pridhamsleigh 2 (Devon), I thought I'd remove a number of the wellies that had unfortunately found themselves at the bottom of this beautiful dive site sticking out of the silt after uncountable "cannonballs" and swims rendered the unwary caver wellyless. It was certainly fun trying to keep hold of them all on the ascent!

It's amazing how rotten rubber can get, it's still stuck to my drysuit!

Josh
 

AR

Well-known member
Whilst keeping the tradition of t'owd man's candle in Hillocks on Christmas eve, I removed two short coils of rope, a pair of gloves, and a number of tea lights. The rope and gloves were there Christmas eve 2014, so given the amount of time that's elapsed I presume the owner isn't coming back for them, but if they're yours, PM me.
 

Pete K

Well-known member
DCRO was missing some rope after a recent practice there. If you think the bits you found look new enough to be theirs then let me know and I'll come and grab it off you. They should have DCRO tags.
 

AR

Well-known member
Both old and rather grubby, I didn't notice any tags but I'll have another look.
 

AR

Well-known member
Neither piece has any tags on them. However, I'll try and walk the dog over that way in the next few days and see if there's any bits tucked behind a wall.
 

owd git

Active member
In the same tradition Tim and I left a pie, beer and candle in jug holes in the area under/ beyond the boulder choke to t'old man. then fetched out the life-form that had developed from last years pie :yucky:.
we were in the habit of doing so in the Wapping , but the beer never lasted to the new year in there. :LOL:  :beer:.
take the bottle out if you drink the beer. (y)
O.G.
 

Badlad

Administrator
Staff member
Just bumping this scheme with the text and a few more photos from my recent Descent article (in case folk don't read it).  We've a few rewards to announce from recent posts in the next few days.  If you've been cleaning up anywhere why not write up your efforts here both to encourage others and maybe earn yourself some free gear.

I like Gavel Pot.  It?s a great caving trip.  From the huge open entrance punched into Leck Fell, to the classic, clean washed vadose pitches which lead to the sump it is fun, fun, fun all the way.  A side passage off the main streamway leads to Glasfurd?s, a well decorated chamber and phreatic tunnel which hints of further discovery.  I have had many trips down this classic pothole over the years mostly just for fun but also carrying diving bottles to the sump and on several occasions to Glasfurd?s to look at the potential for digs. 

I accompanied some friends there shortly after the founding of the Cave Conservation Reward initiative and with fresh eyes I was able to see all the junk that littered this fine section of cave.  It had been there for a long time and I had seen it on many occasions but somehow I had always chosen to ignore it.  This is a popular trip so I know I am not alone in this.  Clearly all this gear was abandoned but it only really struck me now, how foreign it was and shouldn?t be there at all. 

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Four of us decided on a follow up trip to clear it all out.  There were three specific sites in Glasfurd?s of concern.  Upstream from the entry point was a long length of yellow ?gas main? pipe.  About 30m long it ended buried and silted up into a muddy sump.  Even with four people pulling, the end could not be dislodged from the mud and it had to be hacksawed off underwater.  Downstream from the entry chamber was another abandoned dig.  Here was a large sack of ?gone hard? cement. A bottomless metal bucket, some rotten ?clothes? in plastic bags, plastic buckets and other bits and bobs.  To the east, at the end of the well decorated phreatic tunnel was the majority of abandoned gear from a project long past.  Before the end, a long length of garden hose lay tangled and half buried in a dried up pool.  A broken bang wire tied around objects headed to the choke at the end.  Here, was an assortment of rusting tools, plastic pipe and rotten wood, two ladders, one metal and one wooden which fell to pieces as it was moved back down the passage and other scraps of dig paraphernalia. 

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It took a lot of effort to ferry all the gear out of the cave and twelve journeys to get it all up to the car park.  At the bottom of the second pitch we picked up even more gear including the broken bucket mentioned in the last issue of Descent.  It seemed to emphasise the point as every visitor to the cave had to practically step over it, but no one, including myself, had thought to bring it out.  Afterwards I pondered what had put me off clearing this up before, not even bringing out that single broken bucket.  Perhaps it was because the emphasis has always been placed on not touching other peoples gear rather than questioning why it was there in the first place.

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Also it is important to note, that there is no blame game here, it doesn?t matter who took this gear underground all those years ago, the important thing is to remove it now and try to prevent the same thing happening in the future.

This is what the initiative is all about, clearing out the abandoned junk from our caves and changing attitudes about taking more back down in the future.  The BCA Minimal Impact Code suggests that diggers should;

?Make a plan right from the beginning to remove all redundant equipment upon completion of an exploratory dig. If the dig fails ?to go? provision should be made to clear up before all interest is lost. Leave the dig in a safe and tidy condition. Seek help from other cavers if necessary.?

This is common sense but hasn?t always happened.  Perhaps the emphasis should be on the diggers to take more responsibility of the gear that they take underground so that it isn?t left up to others to remove decades later.  The question of when digging gear is in use, when it is abandoned and when it is somewhere in between is challenged by the ?if in doubt ? bring it out? slogan and worries were expressed that well-meaning cavers may remove some essential gear.  Of course cavers should make checks before removing anything they think may still be in use, it is not so hard and a little common sense goes a long way.  A better slogan for the future may be ?Cave Conservation Rewards? ? ?Changing Attitudes Underground?.

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The emphasis of this report has been on abandoned digging gear, but then there is so much of it about.  However, clean ups can come in many forms from litter picking to clearing up washed in flood material and removing old carbide dumps to jet washing mud splashes.  A quick tally suggests that some 40 bags of rubbish have been removed from 18 caves so far.  Rewards given away so far include, Petzl Classic tackle bags, Exped Work and Rescue waterproof rucksacks, Berger books, a Petzl Spatha knife, waterproof socks and more.  Let?s get cleaning.

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At the moment the scheme is supported by;
The Buttered Badger Potholing Club, CAN Geotechnical Ltd, Mark Wright Training, The Berger Book, CNCC Conservation Volunteers, Hitch n Hike and Ukcaving.com.  More are welcome.
 

cap n chris

Well-known member
Superb stuff! This quote jumped out of the page at me....

Badlad said:
?Make a plan right from the beginning to remove all redundant equipment upon completion of an exploratory dig. If the dig fails ?to go? provision should be made to clear up before all interest is lost. Leave the dig in a safe and tidy condition. Seek help from other cavers if necessary.?

Having been involved in a few digs, personal observation would make a slight amendment to this: when a dig begins to slow down, or perhaps a different pushing site is selected, the old site should be tidied and cleared so that no human detritus remains visible. If the old site becomes active again, the necessary equipment can be taken back to re-start work, on the grounds that any old equipment, by definition, will probably be worn out and unfit for purpose. Tidy as you go, tidy as you leave; leave it tidy when you go.
 

AR

Well-known member
Pete K said:
DCRO was missing some rope after a recent practice there. If you think the bits you found look new enough to be theirs then let me know and I'll come and grab it off you. They should have DCRO tags.

I've checked around all the Knotlow/Hillocks shaft tops this morning and there's no sign of any rope tucked out of the way behind walls.
 

al

Member
Sorry Pete - it was found the week before Christmas. It was actually on the vehicle, but packed in one of the spare bags, so it never got noticed.
 
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