Data Protection Act

[darkplaces]

Hmm, the spellcheck team assemble to ignore the point again.

The "nothing to hide" brigade are a scary bunch who obviously don't keep up with the news or forget all the innocents who have been killed and locked away, lives ruined by the 'authorities' who by now are pandering to the terrorists by curtailing freedoms and rights.

I have 'some' respect for the Data Commissioner as he has spoken out on a few rare occasions about our society's endless need to know what you and I do  in our own personal, private lives. All this data and what's it done for us? ID theft/Fraud is on the up and up all because every man and his dog thinks he needs to know our Mothers maiden name, skin colour, height, weight, fingerprint, DNA and shoe size, or feel they have to gather data on you because someone might need it. We are ripe ID theft targets and its all our own fault!

 

[Peter Burgess]

If nobody had anything to hide they wouldn't use pseudonyms on this forum. 

 

[anfieldman]

If nobody had anything to hide they wouldn't use pseudonyms on this forum. 

Look on 90% of forums Peter and you will see that people use pseudonyms. It doesn't mean anything, it's a bit of fun. It also means that if you post something that makes you look a complete dick it's only your friends that can take the mickey. But if you have your own name on here then you get 'oh that Peter Burgess!' hee, hee.
There may be a few people on here with something to hide but I think the majority use pseudonyms because they cannot call themselves 'Anfieldman', 'Cap'n Chris', 'Walrus' etc anywhere else without being laughed at.
Lighten up.

 

[darkplaces]

I'm called Hammy on another forum  :tease: The TAX man doesn't like me using that name when doing my self-assessments.  :read:
I like it, its fun, plus when I meet cavers I can give my real name and not get spanked  :spank:

I am a figment of your imagination, if you keep seeing posts from me seek medical help.

 

[Known by None]

If nobody had anything to hide they wouldn't use pseudonyms on this forum. 

To be fair though, if I dropped the pseudo and went with Dave would it make a slight bit of difference?. If I knew you- which I don't; I would resent the fact that you think my main motive for a pseudonym was simply because I had something to hide. My name means about the same to you as yours does to me, if I got round to meeting you outside of this forum, or indeed if you got to know me on here then you would know my name (you know it now, but it means nothing) , before that point it is hardly going to matter is it?  :tease:

The flipside of your statement would also suggest that anyone registering with their real name has nothing to hide whatsoever and had led a life of virtue and sincerity.   :halo:

 

[Les W]

The flipside of your statement would also suggest that anyone registering with their real name has nothing to hide whatsoever and had led a life of virtue and sincerity.   :halo:

That'll be me then 

 

[Peter Burgess]

All those who use a pseudonym who have nothing to hide, please tell us your real name here.    [happy smiley inserted in case anyone thinks I haven't lightened up.] Oh, by the way, on another forum I frequent, I use a pseudonym, because I have got something to hide. 

 

[cap n chris]

I HAVE LOTS TO HIDE.


A previous thread which may have relevant comments:

http://ukcaving.com/board/index.php/topic,35.0.html

 

[Peter Burgess]

Ooooo, lots of people with something to hide.....

 

[Peter Burgess]

I HAVE LOTS TO HIDE.


A previous thread which may have relevant comments:

http://ukcaving.com/board/index.php/topic,35.0.html

Yeah, but we all know who you are, don't we......

 

[anfieldman]

All those who use a pseudonym who have nothing to hide, please tell us your real name here.    [happy smiley inserted in case anyone thinks I haven't lightened up.] Oh, by the way, on another forum I frequent, I use a pseudonym, because I have got something to hide. 

Yes Peter. My name is Mark Whyte. 

Oh God I hope I don't make myself look stupid now (if I haven't done already). :doubt:
Of course I could be lying.

 

[Scutchamer]

The "nothing to hide" brigade are a scary bunch who obviously don't keep up with the news or forget all the innocents who have been killed and locked away, lives ruined by the 'authorities'

An example? Many peoples lives have been ruined by the establishment, Jean charles de Menezes, Hatfield Rail Crash victims, MRSA victims, where do you draw the line, however none in relation to excessive data being held on the DVLA database.

who by now are pandering to the terrorists by curtailing freedoms and rights.

As far as I'm aware none of my rights have been curtailed or withdrawn, ditto freedom.

Everyone refers to "the government" but it's pretty big. I have the membership database of my uni club which is a member of the SU which is funded by the uni which in turn is state owned and funded and via some tenuous connection our clubs medical details, next of kin phone numbers and other personal details are being held by "the government". 

 

[damian]

As far as I'm aware none of my rights have been curtailed or withdrawn, ditto freedom.

You now have to have a passport for internal, domestic flights. You have to have a full interview before they'll give you a passport. There's just two to be getting on with!

 

[Peter Burgess]

All those who use a pseudonym who have nothing to hide, please tell us your real name here.    [happy smiley inserted in case anyone thinks I haven't lightened up.] Oh, by the way, on another forum I frequent, I use a pseudonym, because I have got something to hide. 

Yes Peter. My name is Mark Whyte. 

Oh God I hope I don't make myself look stupid now (if I haven't done already). :doubt:
Of course I could be lying.

And my point is that having something to hide is a perfectly acceptable attitude to have, and nobody should feel ashamed by it.

 

[Peter Burgess]

As far as I'm aware none of my rights have been curtailed or withdrawn, ditto freedom.

You now have to have a passport for internal, domestic flights. You have to have a full interview before they'll give you a passport. There's just two to be getting on with!

I do not believe that either of these statements is true. Can you give a link to something that would enlighten me otherwise, please? My wife has travelled by air within the EU using only her photographic national ID card to gain entry, and others do the same. I think you will find that for internal flights you only need photographic ID to prove you are who you claim to be. An understandable security measure, I think.
As for an interview for a passport......

 

[cap n chris]

A bloke down the pub reliably informed us that you now need to have an iris scan and strip search before you can buy a lottery ticket at Tescos.

 

[graham]

As far as I'm aware none of my rights have been curtailed or withdrawn, ditto freedom.

You now have to have a passport for internal, domestic flights. You have to have a full interview before they'll give you a passport. There's just two to be getting on with!

I do not believe that either of these statements is true. Can you give a link to something that would enlighten me otherwise, please? My wife has travelled by air within the EU using only her photographic national ID card to gain entry, and others do the same. I think you will find that for internal flights you only need photographic ID to prove you are who you claim to be. An understandable security measure, I think.
As for an interview for a passport......

You are quite right to differentiate between passport and photographic ID except that for many people the former is the only type of the latter that they have. I would wonder whether my SUI card would be accepted in such circumstances.

Secondly, first time applicants for passports do indeed have to undergo an interview, see http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/4967276.stm for example.

Thirdly, some rights have been curtailed. Try standing on College Green and reciting teh names of soldiers killed in Iraq. Freedom of speech, I don't think so.

 

[graham]

A bloke down the pub reliably informed us that you now need to have an iris scan and strip search before you can buy a lottery ticket at Tescos.

Serves you right for shopping at Tescos.  :chair:

 

[Peter Burgess]

Secondly, first time applicants for passports do indeed have to undergo an interview, see http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/4967276.stm for example.

Perhaps there should be the option for the interviewer to visit the applicant for the interview, and not the other way round. Like farm inspections - although you can't take the farm to the inspector. If they want to confirm what I say about myself is true, then come to me to ask me about it.

 

[AndyF]

As far as I'm aware none of my rights have been curtailed or withdrawn, ditto freedom.

"Rights" cannot be curtialled or withdrawn - thats what makes them "rights" by definition. If they CAN be curtailed or withdrawn then they are merely priveleges....      

Howver, to answer the question:-

How about your "right" to a jury trial - that's going for some offences....

How about your right to hear the evidence against you (thats gone in the case of some terrorist charges)....

How about your right to be tried in an open court (thats gone too for some offences)

How about your right to go where you want in the UK (well not if you are subject to a "Control Order" for which you dont need to have been convicted of, or have admitted to, an offence)

How about your right to liberty in your own country (you can, of course, now be extraditied to the United States WITHOUT it being necessary for the US to present any evidence to a UK court) (see. the Enron extraditions for example)

Your governments duty or care to protect you and act on your behalf (Brit's in Guantanemo Bay)


...the list goes on, but there are plenty more. It's a subtle and slow erosion that means many people have simply not noticed as they have not had to exercise these rights at any time.