Deepest cave in England

Ed

Active member
Surely they are all greatest vertical distance.

Deepest cave in England as in deepest into the Earth should be compared to Ordance Datumn Newlyn.
    Somewhere in Portland or Otter hole?

As an aside does anyone know the "deepest" cave against sea level Datumn in the world?
 

PeteHall

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mrodoc said:
Pretty sure it is Charterhouse Cave on Mendip at 228 metres but I could be wrong.

You are correct, and you can make the full 228m depth with one 20 foot ladder and a single spit hanger!

mikem said:
Not that anyone has been to the bottom for quite some time!
Not been to the end for a couple of years,  I normally turn around at Jet Pitch to save carrying the ladder! From the conversations at the annual leaders meeting, I don't think anyone else has been to the end for a very long time... Real shame, as it's a great cave...
 

langcliffe

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Ed said:
Deepest cave in England as in deepest into the Earth should be compared to Ordance Datumn Newlyn.  Somewhere in Portland or Otter hole?

Possibly Wookey Hole (circa -26 metres below OD)?
 

mikem

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On that definition, I expect it's going to be some sea cave, but then the opo doesn't dive. (Although the Severn railway tunnel hit a massive freshwater spring under the estuary, that came from Wales, which must have been deeper than Wookey)

I doubt the equatorial bulge has much effect over the relative depths in Englandshire, but it does mean the summit of Chimborazo is further from the centre of the earth than the top of Everest...
 

PeteHall

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As ever in these discussions, it would help to know what the OP had in mind.

I'm guessing something like highest peak and deepest cave in 24 hours.

If Charterhouse fits the bill for deepest (as in most vertical range without diving), I'd be happy to lead a trip to the end, with a few caveats, like the cave being open again...
 

ChrisJC

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Of course, if you wanted the deepest mine in England, then I think the deep end at Boulby Potash Mine is -1450m

Chris.
 

mikem

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& although three counties has a bigger vertical range, I don't think anyone has been from the highest entrance to the deepest point?
 

Duck ditch

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I always thought it was Peak.  I remember not believing how deep Swildons was, comparing it to the previous weeks Meregill trip.  Has Charterhouse and Peak achieved there full depth potential?  I suppose theorising where the biggest depth potential is fraught with too many ifs and buts.
 

mikem

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Pretty sure peak is close, whereas charterhouse connects to goughs cave at bottom of Cheddar Gorge (the end is currently near the top & the highest bits of cliff are 100m).
 

mrodoc

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Talking of deep caves that need relatively little effort to bottom them you would have to add in Tatham Wife Hole. It was my first proper Yorkshire Pot but as none of the pitches were very long it didn't seem too demanding to a 17 year old (and his dad).
 

nearlywhite

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ChrisJC said:
aricooperdavis said:
benshannon said:
Ofd is in Wales matey

:chair: that'll teach me not to skim read posts!

Not wishing to be pedantic or controversial, but Wales is part of England, and has been since the campaigns of King Edward 1st in 1283.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conquest_of_Wales_by_Edward_I_of_England

I realise that is not without controversy!

Chris.

Not wishing to be pedantic but the local government act of 1972 recognizes it as a separate legal entity distinct to England. Hence the decision whether Monmouthshire is in Wales or England.

And Wales only really became a part of England in 1535 under Henry 'Tudur' - otherwise much of France has been England, (fiefdom is different from kingdom), the legal basis for incorporation comes from this time. This is only completed in 1746 where they have to realize they have to define Wales legally. You then also have things like the laws in Wales act that show that Wales was always treated as a distinct entity within the union, and that subsequent to the union of crowns arguing whether it was a part of England or not was epitome of pedantry.

Couldn't let it go - almost as predictable as the Mendipians insisting that their caves are the deepest/biggest etc but only if you add a qualification and exclude the others.
 

A_Northerner

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I once heard that an oft-overlooked contender for "deepest trip" would be a theoretical trip from Maskhill Mine down to the bottom of East Canal (the ~30m depth of East Canal included). Can the might of UKC's corrective nature crunch the numbers on that one to see how deep that would be, entrance to bottom?

I know it won't count as the deepest cave, as Maskhill is a mine, and not even deepest trip, as other mines are deeper.
 

shotlighter

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A_Northerner said:
I once heard that an oft-overlooked contender for "deepest trip" would be a theoretical trip from Maskhill Mine down to the bottom of East Canal (the ~30m depth of East Canal included). Can the might of UKC's corrective nature crunch the numbers on that one to see how deep that would be, entrance to bottom?

I know it won't count as the deepest cave, as Maskhill is a mine, and not even deepest trip, as other mines are deeper.
According to my old copy of COPD, it's 693 ft (211 m).
 

A_Northerner

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Benfool said:
Consulting the Peak/Speedwell 3D model, the Top of the Titan entrance shaft (and pretty much the top of the entrance shaft of JH) to the bottom of Main Rising, is 267m - which would make it deeper than the 3CS (if the 249m value on Wikipedia is to be believed). However both the Titan and JH entrance shafts are artificial, so it would seem wrong to count them - there are much much much deeper mines in the UK (1400m depth!!).

The very top of Titan, to the bottom of Main Rising is 237m - which would make it slightly shallower than the 3CS. The deepest you could do without diving would be 166m.

B

Sounds like it's time you got back down there with a shovel then, Derbyshire has a crown to claim!
 

pwhole

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Most of the (currently) accessible parts of Maskhill are natural though. Only the entrance shaft is man-made. There were 19 meers allocated to Maskhill heading west, and only one of them is currently used. It does make you wonder where the rest is. And whether more of that is natural. Some of the shafts looked at in the 2010 Credit Crunch project must have been part of the title though, and they didn't go far.
 

Duck ditch

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Uh oh. We have a problem.  Best give it to boulby potash mine.
When does a cave dig turn into a mine?  When it was done? Use of explosives? The reasons it?s been dug?  Do we just include entrances? 
Meregill it is then  :)
 
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