Digging close to Yordas Pot

Dalton

New member
We have been a few weekends going to the Ingleton area from Glasgow and visiting some of the caves with our three children. Last weekend, we digged close to the Yordas Pot and we found a small opening. There was cold air coming out from it. The next day we kept digging and we removed a medium size rock that was collapsing the entrance. Now the pot is accessible though quite narrow. Theres a slight ramp of approx. 6m long and apparently it turns right but we haven't managed to pass through the turn yet as we were going back to Glasgow the same day and we had to go. It is the start of a meander, with no danger of falling loose rocks.
We went to Inglesport to purchase rope and a few other things to remove the rock blocking the access and we spoke with the owner, who advised us to post the digging here. We're sorry for not asking his name, but from here we want to thank him for the information and friendly service we received.
We are Spanish, but we are living in Glasgow. We have a lot of experience digging pots around Catalonia area and we would like to continue our digging in the next weeks.
Location map.png
tempImageS9V7uG.pngtempImagenRnsF4.png
tempImage5Wrijk.png
 
Last edited:

Steve Clark

Active member
There are also two collapse areas almost directly on the path between your hole and Yordas Top Entrance. The one lower down the fell looks older and has sealed with mud. The one a bit further up is directly on the path and it looked pretty fresh when I first noticed it about 2 months ago. Round hole, 5-6ft in diameter and had dropped down about 2ft. You could see some undermining in the direction of Yordas heading north-east. All in the top soil.
 

alanw

Member
Are these photos of the areas you are referring to? Taken in July 2020
 

Attachments

  • IMG_20200702_191833_5.jpg-m.jpg
    IMG_20200702_191833_5.jpg-m.jpg
    167 KB · Views: 36
  • IMG_20200702_191843_5.jpg-m.jpg
    IMG_20200702_191843_5.jpg-m.jpg
    223.6 KB · Views: 37
  • IMG_20200702_191853_9.jpg-m.jpg
    IMG_20200702_191853_9.jpg-m.jpg
    180.5 KB · Views: 34
  • IMG_20200702_191905_4.jpg-m.jpg
    IMG_20200702_191905_4.jpg-m.jpg
    207 KB · Views: 34
  • IMG_20200702_191914_5.jpg-m.jpg
    IMG_20200702_191914_5.jpg-m.jpg
    183.4 KB · Views: 35
  • IMG_20200702_192124_5.jpg-m.jpg
    IMG_20200702_192124_5.jpg-m.jpg
    150.2 KB · Views: 36
Dalton have a look at https://northerncaves.co.uk/cavemap/ what you might be working on could be Sloping Cave.
This it what it looked like when I visited. Not sure why the photos aren't on the website (need to look into that). A copy of the book can be purchased from Inglesport or Starless River, but the book doesn't have all the entrance photos. It was found to be 18m long and 6m deep in 1972 by BSA and HWCPC.
1652432629824.png
 

Pitlamp

Well-known member
Great to see folk interested in digging Dalton! Just checking; you did leave the hole securely covered didn't you, so there's no chance of farm animals falling down? Just saying, as the farmer is a good bloke and we'd not want anything accidentally souring relations with cavers.
 

andrewmcleod

Active member
Ref No.24 of the OLD1004553 for the Whernside SSSI may have relevance here.
This rather cryptic (and not terribly useful response) is because the dig/cave location is in the Whernside SSSI (Site of Special Scientific Interest):


This means that as well as landowner permission to dig, the landowner also needs consent from Natural England (a government body) to carry out what used to be called 'potentially damaging operations'. Namely, in the list of 'Operations requiring Natural England's Consent', number 24 is:

"Modification of natural or man-made features (including cave entrances), clearance of boulders, large stones, loose rock or scree and battering, buttressing or grading rock-faces, infilling of pits and quarries, modification of cave shakeholes or other natural depressions."

Fortunately the CNCC has very helpful people, and this guide to digging on an SSSI:
 

Dalton

New member
Great to see folk interested in digging Dalton! Just checking; you did leave the hole securely covered didn't you, so there's no chance of farm animals falling down? Just saying, as the farmer is a good bloke and we'd not want anything accidentally souring relations with cavers.
We didn't cover the hole because we didn't know it. However, there's no risk of falling. The access is a sloping depression and the hole we opened is very narrow, with no risk of falling. However, we will keep it in mind for the next time we go there, thanks for your advise.
 

Dalton

New member
This rather cryptic (and not terribly useful response) is because the dig/cave location is in the Whernside SSSI (Site of Special Scientific Interest):


This means that as well as landowner permission to dig, the landowner also needs consent from Natural England (a government body) to carry out what used to be called 'potentially damaging operations'. Namely, in the list of 'Operations requiring Natural England's Consent', number 24 is:

"Modification of natural or man-made features (including cave entrances), clearance of boulders, large stones, loose rock or scree and battering, buttressing or grading rock-faces, infilling of pits and quarries, modification of cave shakeholes or other natural depressions."

Fortunately the CNCC has very helpful people, and this guide to digging on an SSSI:
Thanks for the information, we will have a look at the steps we need to follow as we didn't know it when we opened the hole. Thank you very much!
 

Dalton

New member
Dalton have a look at https://northerncaves.co.uk/cavemap/ what you might be working on could be Sloping Cave.
This it what it looked like when I visited. Not sure why the photos aren't on the website (need to look into that). A copy of the book can be purchased from Inglesport or Starless River, but the book doesn't have all the entrance photos. It was found to be 18m long and 6m deep in 1972 by BSA and HWCPC.
View attachment 13135
We went with no GPS, but it might be. If we manage to keep digging, we will see if the description of the Sloping Cave is the same as this hole. With the picture is difficult to say, as none of the plants at the middle / right of your picture were there. If it is the Sloping Cave, it was completely blocked. I have attached another picture before we opened it, where I just removed a few small rocks and some earth (as you can see at the left of the picture) and I was checking the amount of cold air coming out from it.
tempImagebRQyVG.png
 

Dalton

New member
There are a few things I would like to comment and ask:

1 - Does anyone know who is the owner of the land where we are looking to explore? Or how can we find him / where should we ask?

2 - We are interested in joining a caving group, focused mainly in digging. My English is not great, and my wife helps me writing this, but I've been most of my life digging and exploring cavities and as we are living in the UK, we are planning to move to North Yorkshire and I would love to keep digging in this area.

3 - My name is Alex Serrano. Dalton is the nickname my brothers and I are known within the caving world due to our discoveries in Catalonia. My brothers and I (The Dalton) founded our own caving group (nowadays we still keep its Facebook but the group is pretty much dissolved as I am living in the UK). I would like to share some of my diggings for you to know me better, with the intention to join a caving group and help digging in the Yorkshire Dales:

http://espeleobloc.blogspot.com/2014/08/avenc-de-la-pleta-sitges.html

http://espeleobloc.blogspot.com/2013/03/record-de-fondaria-al-garraf-esquerra.html

http://espeleobloc.blogspot.com/2010/03/ses-del-ger.html?view=flipcard

https://docplayer.es/45198121-A-l-avenc-de-l-esquerra.html

https://www.espeleoindex.com/crearPDF.php?id=1495

http://espeleoume.blogspot.com/2010/04/iii-jornades-despeleologia-del-garraf.html

https://www.facebook.com/S.E.SdelGer

The links are in Catalan, but the images give an idea of the diggings.

Any comments will be much appreciated, as I am really looking forward to start digging in the Yorkshire Dales! 🙃
 

Badlad

Administrator
Staff member
Hey Dalton. Come join us. Digging in the Dales twice a week - western side. You can see a few of our efforts if you look at the links below. Contact me by PM to swop details if interested.



Worth noting that we're not normally this successful ;)
 

Badlad

Administrator
Staff member

Badlad

Administrator
Staff member
We already have, but I think they are not around. While we are here, have you any buckets we can have? Got no drag trays or haul buckets left ☹️. Cheers
 
Top