cap n chris
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Is suffolk anyfink like nuffink or norfolk?
Famous and Fearless bullshit
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Stu
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Slug said:
I'd loosely say I obsess about football. Does your generalisation of those sort span to me too; or is your generalisation as bad as the TV companies generalisation of the sort of programmes those sort might generally like to watch?
I might read the response, but then again if I don't like it I might just switch off and comfort myself with the knowledge that lots of people are different to me in what they look like, say or think... or even like to watch on TV!
Peter Burgess
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I have just watched the clip.
Whenever anybody from the media asks "how far in are we?" or "How deep?", they will ALWAYS report the distance as a depth. The first time I encountered this was after a rescue from a shallow mine. The workings run for up to a mile from the entrance but are never more than 30 or 40 metres from the surface. Of course the newspapers reported that the workings were half a mile deep. It makes a much better story than "boys rescued from shallow workings just below the surface, lost about 150 yards from daylight."
Remember that if anything was the main focus of this programme it was the celebrity, not the cave and (sorry guys) definitely not the cavers!
It was still b*****y awful to watch though!*
* Actually the footage was fine, it was the audio that made it painful.
Whenever anybody from the media asks "how far in are we?" or "How deep?", they will ALWAYS report the distance as a depth. The first time I encountered this was after a rescue from a shallow mine. The workings run for up to a mile from the entrance but are never more than 30 or 40 metres from the surface. Of course the newspapers reported that the workings were half a mile deep. It makes a much better story than "boys rescued from shallow workings just below the surface, lost about 150 yards from daylight."
Remember that if anything was the main focus of this programme it was the celebrity, not the cave and (sorry guys) definitely not the cavers!
It was still b*****y awful to watch though!*
* Actually the footage was fine, it was the audio that made it painful.
ogof addict
Member
i am struggling to work out the point of the programme. Why get Charlie Boorman on a motorbike if its about being scared - or that girl down the cave, who may have actually been a bit scared rather than fearless - if its about being fearless??
is this going to put people off caving more than if they showed a clip of a proper hardcore caver with limestone hairs on his chest doing one of the nastiest scariest and hideously wonderfull bits of cave anyone here can done (and sworn never to go back to)?ootage
that bit where they were flashing up the 999 rescue sign was bloody awfull footage to watch
:-[ im ashamed to admit i have never managed a caving trip in the mendips yet. how scary is the cave she went down by the average beginner standards? they must have had to have made an effort not to go somewhere bad enough so they could combine footage with some emergency rescue programme
is this going to put people off caving more than if they showed a clip of a proper hardcore caver with limestone hairs on his chest doing one of the nastiest scariest and hideously wonderfull bits of cave anyone here can done (and sworn never to go back to)?ootage
that bit where they were flashing up the 999 rescue sign was bloody awfull footage to watch
:-[ im ashamed to admit i have never managed a caving trip in the mendips yet. how scary is the cave she went down by the average beginner standards? they must have had to have made an effort not to go somewhere bad enough so they could combine footage with some emergency rescue programme
Pitlamp
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I got involved almost by accident with BBC's "Inside Out" team when they were doing a caving feature early last year. I have to say I was extremely impressed with the efforts they went to in researching their story properly and in contacting cavers (then following the cavers' assorted advice). I saw a lot of Jamie Coulson in the process of helping them and he was extremely diligent in trying to represent the facts accurately.
Not all journalists, including television journalists, are bad. Then again, if Chris Evans is involved to be ruthlessly honest I'd expect rubbish and anything else would be a bonus.
Not all journalists, including television journalists, are bad. Then again, if Chris Evans is involved to be ruthlessly honest I'd expect rubbish and anything else would be a bonus.
anfieldman
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stu said:
Yeh, don't go classing me and Stu into the sort of people who watch this crap you batless snot ridden chef!
:chair:
SamT said:
I'd rather that nobody did this please. I would not want to cause Ken any grief and I'm sure that if he was that upset he would deal with it himself anyway.
mrodoc
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For those who don't know the cave the wife did a trip to Sump One as her first caving trip. She started watching this and walked out. The programme was bilge but Channel 4 in particular have previous. Some of you may remember the farce of Extreme Archaeology in Wet Sink, Slaughter Cave which was similarly hyped up in an utterly pointless fashion. This sort of programme has one good aspect. It keeps caves emptier than they might be.
One thing that always bothers me is how much else do I watch on other topics of which I know little are also complete rubbish.
One thing that always bothers me is how much else do I watch on other topics of which I know little are also complete rubbish.
mrodoc
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One quote in the posts on this is worth commenting on especially as Ken lives in my patch. Some building work down the road exposed some old wells. As I was known to be interested in holes in the ground it was mentioned to me. The well was described as so deep the bottom could not be seen with deep water at the base. In fact it was 10 feet, you could see the bottom and a piece of weighted string confirmed the water depth to be 6 inches. People see holes in the ground and then their brains seem to switch off. I am currently waiting to investigate a supposed underground tunnel about 300 metres long that is about 200 metres from my house. Even though the mayor of Chard insisted it exists I am extremely sceptical as it's location seems rather pointless.
AndyF
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This sort of program is always going to be crup.... The clue is in the title.
I remember Ben Fogel taking some walkers in the Andees. They got into trouble because they faced a long, steep scree descent in almost dark and had no water. It looked genuinely dangerous and the victims were rightly distressed.
Of course it was. They had gone out in the Andes with no trekking poles, inadequate footwear, insufficient water and food and no headtorches. Mr Outdoor Fogel is obviously utterly clueless in fact, yet earns a packet I've no doubt.
I remember Ben Fogel taking some walkers in the Andees. They got into trouble because they faced a long, steep scree descent in almost dark and had no water. It looked genuinely dangerous and the victims were rightly distressed.
Of course it was. They had gone out in the Andes with no trekking poles, inadequate footwear, insufficient water and food and no headtorches. Mr Outdoor Fogel is obviously utterly clueless in fact, yet earns a packet I've no doubt.
paul
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AndyF said:
I thought they had a guide (or guides) and Mr. Fogle was just the person plonked in front of the cameras when needed - I may be wrong though.
Anyway, you can always join him in a trip if you wish, see www.adventurecompany.co.uk/about-us/team/ben-fogle.
ditzy 24//7
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is it just me or is most of that footage by the entrance because she is clean and dry?
why lower her instead of using a ladder or letting her abseil.
why lower her instead of using a ladder or letting her abseil.
cap n chris
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ogof addict said:
What she was doing was nigh-on a standard beginner's trip.
Slug
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anfieldman said:Yeh, don't go classing me and Stu into the sort of people who watch this crap you batless snot ridden chef!
:chair:
I do apologise Stu, and Mark ( well mostly to Stu as Mark is a liverpool supporter
) and by the way, the snot, along with the Flu is receding.......and it's Fantastic and Amazing Chef to You :spank:
Still at least it wasn't GOLF
, and it was still a crap programme.
Alex
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Hmm I made my comment earlier without actually watching it:
6 miles of squeezes, 200ft absail, rescue extremely difficult. It sounds more like an expedition. I got it, this was filmed in Quaking no wait it was Bernies pot in Dachstien region Austria.
That said I still don't think it will put the people off who really want to do caving, and the comment earlier that people who do it for the fear factor would quit after a few months, I think that is incorrect. For example: I am still scared lol, it has been over 3 years. There is always something a cave can throw at you to scare you, though admittedly Swildons (except the sump) does not seem that scarey. I still love caving and want to do it every weekend.
Okay I admit I am not scared of heights anymore but still there is other things.
But guys media always talk shite, its not just caving, so take a chill pill. Moaning old men lol. Oh wait I am 28 does that make me an old man?
6 miles of squeezes, 200ft absail, rescue extremely difficult. It sounds more like an expedition. I got it, this was filmed in Quaking no wait it was Bernies pot in Dachstien region Austria.
That said I still don't think it will put the people off who really want to do caving, and the comment earlier that people who do it for the fear factor would quit after a few months, I think that is incorrect. For example: I am still scared lol, it has been over 3 years. There is always something a cave can throw at you to scare you, though admittedly Swildons (except the sump) does not seem that scarey. I still love caving and want to do it every weekend.
Okay I admit I am not scared of heights anymore but still there is other things.
But guys media always talk shite, its not just caving, so take a chill pill. Moaning old men lol. Oh wait I am 28 does that make me an old man?
anfieldman
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Slug said:anfieldman said:Yeh, don't go classing me and Stu into the sort of people who watch this crap you batless snot ridden chef!
:chair:
I do apologise Stu, and Mark ( well mostly to Stu as Mark is a liverpool supporter
and by the way, the snot, along with the Flu is receding.......and it's Fantastic and Amazing Chef to You :spank:
Still at least it wasn't GOLF
Still Batless though! :tease:
