cavemanmike
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it's a really sad day for cavers when this kind of sh** happens.
the cave is closed so we can attempt to survey as much of the wreckage as possible in situ to try and work out what it what, etc. and formulate a plan of repairing anything we can either in situ or by bringing out of the cave, repairing and putting back in later. This should stop anything going AWOL and also anyone bar those working on the repairs and cleanup from being in the cave at all for now.Pitlamp said:maybe it's better to focus on remedial action in the first instance. It is possible to repair stals of course.
In the case of a large number of small ones it's a real jigsaw puzzle - but not impossible. I'm sure Estelle & friends know exactly what they're doing (as they're all very experienced cavers). But is it worth collecting all the fragments and bringing them out as soon as possible before they get trampled or go AWOL?
we can but hope, i'd like to think that we'll do our bestIt's surprising how they can be put back together. Painstaking - yes - but more productive than spending the rest of our caving careers looking at all the broken ends with sadness.
this would be really helpful if possible.Tony Brown and I put together a big dossier of articles on stal repair not too long ago. I'm sure the contents could be made available to help anyone who may contemplate a repair effort in HLS.
Alex said:Very sad, and am lucky to have seen them in their original state. However, I guess this goes to show that gates don't work.
Laurie said:Have you changed the lock?
Laurie said:Have you changed the lock?
estelle said:Hunters Lodge Inn Sink will be closed for at least a month
We will advise when the cave is reopened and any revised changes in access procedure.
mrodoc said:Stop stirring DuncanDuncan Price said:estelle said:the attached was a photo i took about a year after it was found - sadly all gone now...
I blame the drone flyers.
Peter Burgess said:Using this tragedy to lobby against gates is pathetic. Proper cave visitor management is what is needed. It's not access that needs control, it's cave visitors. Control equates to doing our very best to make sure caves are only visited by people who know how to respect them and behave in them. In this sad case we have learnt that the access process in place has, sadly, been shown to not be sufficient. We might not like being recorded and listed, but in this case it may well have deterred the perpetrators.