Music for Videos

Caver Keith

Active member
I've almost always used the YouTube Audio Library as a source of music for my videos. However it seems now that some of my favourite artists are slowly withdrawing their best creations from the library and I'm struggling to find the sort of stuff I need/like. For example, I've used a lot of stuff from Jingle Punks and I'm currently looking for something similar to Warrior Strife, but even this track is no longer available.

What do other videographers use? I've found a number of sites but they all seem to need me to sign up for a monthly subscription before I can access the content. I'm happy to pay for a licence for a tune I want to use, but I'm do not want to pay a monthly subscription.

Any recommendations please?

Thanks,

CK
 

JoshW

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Isn?t there the thing that you can sign up to the institute of amateur filmmakers (or something similar) and can use any music under some free use thing.

Spectacularly vague I know but give it a Google And sure you?ll find it
 

JoshW

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I got off my backside and got my laptop and was able to find the following which is what I was talking about:

https://www.theiac.org.uk/iac/copyright/copyright-clearance-scheme.html
 

first-ade

Member
I've used the free music archive on which I've found some good stuff, but like all of them you'll need to do some searching.

https://freemusicarchive.org/

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ZombieCake

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I've also used stuff from Bensound. https://www.bensound.com/  Like other sources some of the stuff is free, but they do ask for a credit in the end titles of the film / video, which seems fair enough.
Look at the terms of the licence of free stuff as 'free' only covers certain uses, and commercial gain or commercial broadcast use for example aren't usually allowed uses.
One group I'm in has an IAC licence for amateur club use to cover use of certain tracks by established artists for 'official' productions by that group (one production I'm working on at the moment could use certain pieces that would be a copyright breach without licences).
Funnily enough the timing of this thread is somewhat spooky and also well timed as I was also looking at whether to get the IAC licence for myself.
 

pwhole

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The music business has always enjoyed a pretty cast-iron system for payment of royalties, mainly as it was so easy, once manufacturable output of recordings became possible, to rip off composers and musicians. Before wax cylinders existed, only sheet music could make a composer a living. As more and more playback systems evolved, copyright and royalty systems had to evolve alongside, usually just about keeping up, though cassette tapes were the only real revolutionary outlier. Since YouTube and other streaming platforms launched, the situation has become something of a dog's dinner, partly as most people posting or viewing just aren't aware of the situation.

I should add that visual artforms such as images, video works and CGI have suffered in comparison, in that there has traditionally been far less protection unless you were registering photos through a press agency. In 1993-4 I produced a 3D-animated fully CGI video for a record company, which was the first time anyone had attempted anything of this scale on a home production system with a small local record label, and it was released to a great fanfare at the ICA in London, and was available to buy on VHS tape. A few weeks later a certain cable-based music TV station, recently set up, began using clips from our (copyrighted) video within their own edited sequence, before and after commercials. They didn't ask permission, and when we complained, they just claimed 'fair use', as there was essentially no 'video royalty' system with which we could prosecute them with. And they were right, the cheapass scumbags. They still owe me thousands of pounds, technically. The record company are one of the biggest and best in the UK now, but they'd still never get anywhere with a claim on this, even though we had it on tape then - well, it was broadcast on their channel every fifteen minutes anyway, for over a year.

Not long before this, when the Iraq war broke out, ITN News hilariously used 808 State's 'C?bik' track as intro/outro music for their 'exciting coverage' of the start of the war. I did the EP cover artwork for that one too, but thankfully they didn't rip me off that time. The band's management phoned up ITN's lawyers and said they were going to sue them into hell if they played it one more time, and hey presto, next ad break it was gone. That's the difference of music protection. I have no idea whether they were able to claim compensation for 'musical injury', but I would have tried if I were them - it was outrageous and disgusting, but hey, that's commercialism for you.

A record company guy I knew once played me the new album by one of his bands, and we were listening to it in my flat and I suddenly sat bolt upright as one track came on. In one minute I heard long samples from Miles Davis, Gong and Frank Zappa (and others), and laughed my head off - I asked him how he'd managed to get clearance for them. He looked somewhat baffled, so I pulled out the three albums from my collection and played him all the sections. He was white as a sheet by this point, and pulling out his (large at the time) mobile phone said he had to go. Apparently they managed to get away with it! Can't post a YouTube link obviously, but I'm listening to it on there now ;)

So it's a fraught topic - but writing as someone who has had their visual ideas, concepts and actual output work plagiarised, duplicated and just plain stolen over decades, I do understand why it's so difficult to use musical works without paying. There is always the option of making your own music :)
 

Caver Keith

Active member
Thanks for the suggestions - appreciated. I will definitely be investigating them.

pwhole said:
So it's a fraught topic - but writing as someone who has had their visual ideas, concepts and actual output work plagiarised, duplicated and just plain stolen over decades, I do understand why it's so difficult to use musical works without paying. There is always the option of making your own music :)

I share your pain. On YouTube there have been well over 400 users who have stolen, often wholesale, my material. It's part of modern life.  o_O
 

grahams

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I have yet to hear a YouTube video in which the weird farting sounds, which is supposed to be music, enhances the video. It's simply impossible to beat the sound of water flowing through a cave passage or of someone struggling through a tight bit.

Even worse is that the chosen 'music' is always a cliche. Mountain bikers use grungy guitar rock which is supposed to sound fast and exciting, climbers use squelchy synths and cavers use ethereal sounds for the pretty bits (actually that's not so bad).

It's so bad that I turn the sound off, which is a problem if the vid contains spoken word sections.
 

pwhole

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Me and Domee made a whole album (well, half an hour's worth, and that took long enough) of six tracks created from nothing but cave sounds - and us, occasionally - all recorded in 3D. If you like the various sounds of water underground, dive in, especially with headphones on and the lights off ;)

https://double-w.bandcamp.com/releases
 

Paul Marvin

Member
pwhole said:
Me and Domee made a whole album (well, half an hour's worth, and that took long enough) of six tracks created from nothing but cave sounds - and us, occasionally - all recorded in 3D. If you like the various sounds of water underground, dive in, especially with headphones on and the lights off ;)

https://double-w.bandcamp.com/releases

Not quite sure of the title Phil  :-\
 

Paul Marvin

Member
Caver Keith said:
I've almost always used the YouTube Audio Library as a source of music for my videos. However it seems now that some of my favourite artists are slowly withdrawing their best creations from the library and I'm struggling to find the sort of stuff I need/like. For example, I've used a lot of stuff from Jingle Punks and I'm currently looking for something similar to Warrior Strife, but even this track is no longer available.

What do other videographers use? I've found a number of sites but they all seem to need me to sign up for a monthly subscription before I can access the content. I'm happy to pay for a licence for a tune I want to use, but I'm do not want to pay a monthly subscription.

Any recommendations please?

Thanks,

CK

I listen to royalty free tracks whilst editing Kieth, the if one catches my ear I share to my converter and turn into MP3 and just add to the video
 

grahams

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pwhole said:
Me and Domee made a whole album (well, half an hour's worth, and that took long enough) of six tracks created from nothing but cave sounds - and us, occasionally - all recorded in 3D. If you like the various sounds of water underground, dive in, especially with headphones on and the lights off ;)

https://double-w.bandcamp.com/releases

Great stuff pwhole, particularly the last track and Wealwian W?ter.
 

Caver Keith

Active member
grahams said:
I have yet to hear a YouTube video in which the weird farting sounds, which is supposed to be music, enhances the video. It's simply impossible to beat the sound of water flowing through a cave passage or of someone struggling through a tight bit.

Even worse is that the chosen 'music' is always a cliche. Mountain bikers use grungy guitar rock which is supposed to sound fast and exciting, climbers use squelchy synths and cavers use ethereal sounds for the pretty bits (actually that's not so bad).

It's so bad that I turn the sound off, which is a problem if the vid contains spoken word sections.

My choice of music is one of the most criticised aspects of my films and I've had others comment that music ruins my videos.
So I've just looked at my YouTube analytics and it appears that in 8 out of my 10 most viewed videos this month I have used cliched music.
I've also experimented by producing 3 versions of a video. One with just the cave sounds, one with no cave sounds - just music and one with both cave sounds and music. The one with just the music got the most thumbs-ups.
The evidence suggests that generally my viewers don't object so I think I will continue to use music.
I guess you won't be watching?

Keith
 

cap n chris

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grahams said:
I have yet to hear a YouTube video in which the weird farting sounds, which is supposed to be music, enhances the video. It's simply impossible to beat the sound of water flowing through a cave passage or of someone struggling through a tight bit.

Even worse is that the chosen 'music' is always a cliche. Mountain bikers use grungy guitar rock which is supposed to sound fast and exciting, climbers use squelchy synths and cavers use ethereal sounds for the pretty bits (actually that's not so bad).

It's so bad that I turn the sound off, which is a problem if the vid contains spoken word sections.

Does this particular combination work to your satisfaction?

https://youtu.be/xL2MzTM9BPM
 

Paul Marvin

Member
Caver Keith said:
grahams said:
I have yet to hear a YouTube video in which the weird farting sounds, which is supposed to be music, enhances the video. It's simply impossible to beat the sound of water flowing through a cave passage or of someone struggling through a tight bit.

Even worse is that the chosen 'music' is always a cliche. Mountain bikers use grungy guitar rock which is supposed to sound fast and exciting, climbers use squelchy synths and cavers use ethereal sounds for the pretty bits (actually that's not so bad).

It's so bad that I turn the sound off, which is a problem if the vid contains spoken word sections.

My choice of music is one of the most criticised aspects of my films and I've had others comment that music ruins my videos.
So I've just looked at my YouTube analytics and it appears that in 8 out of my 10 most viewed videos this month I have used cliched music.
I've also experimented by producing 3 versions of a video. One with just the cave sounds, one with no cave sounds - just music and one with both cave sounds and music. The one with just the music got the most thumbs-ups.
The evidence suggests that generally my viewers don't object so I think I will continue to use music.
I guess you won't be watching?

Keith

Kieth I get slated all the time about music , at the end of the day its very subjective , I use music and will continue to do so . What really niffs me of is you can spend a LOT of time on even a short video both with travel , under ground and sometimes doing VERY extreme and dangerous things , which is what I appreciater on a video, then all some keyboard warriors can say is " didn't like the music " . Kieth just carry on as you are most people will judge a video on content . If I get a bellend comment now I just block them from my channels . I do welcome constructive criticism if if its put across in the correct manner . I love your videos Kieth keep them coming  (y) :clap:
 

pwhole

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Does this particular combination work to your satisfaction?

That's good! I like it, having the real sounds and the music combined, and the music's supportive to the shots.

Funnily enough I only just met Nick this weekend, and he's very kindly been chauffering me about in the Peak District due to my lack of a driving license - he dropped me off in Castleton only two hours ago, so this is nice to see as he mentioned some of his projects.

He won't even be home yet, but thanks again Nick!  :bow:
 
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