New Caves of the Peak District guidebook

will you be buying a new copy of Caves of the Peak District

  • yes

    Votes: 114 96.6%

  • no

    Votes: 4 3.4%
  • Total voters
    118
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Peter Burgess

New member
Ignore the pessimists. You WILL make some pocket money if you do it the right way.

You do NOT need a huge print run to obtain quality and economy.

You CAN get good quality without using a publishing firm.

I am sure the caving outlets will promise to stock a sensible quantity, which will greatly reduce the need to worry about distribution yourself. All you need to do is consider the cost price, decide on a selling price, decide how much you want to keep from each sale, and thereby set a trade price for the shops. Easy-peasy.

I'm beginning to feel like NigR - nobody is listening. :)

I'm off to Derbyshire tomorrow until Sunday - no internet, no TV, no guide book. Come on, hurry up with that book!

 
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DARBY

Guest
Yep even though i dont get out much at the mo i definately want one.

The vote looks convincing, the 2 that voted against were in ann summers today buying pink frilly lingerie enough said.

good work guys i am sure it will be well recieved nationwide.
 
martinm

martinm

New member
Hiya. I will be buying one. (Even though it's already out of date! ;) ) Several others in Darfar PC will also probably want one too. (Prob 4 others.)
 
zippy

zippy

Member
Oh go on then, we'll have one  ;)

What about:

a:  Landmark publishing - did a good job on Trevor Ford's the new Castleton caves book, and Jim R's latest mining series...
b:  Having a subscribers list - allows you to judge the print run a little better?
c:  I do like the current compact format of the existing COPD, fits of the shelf nicely with the Northern caves series, etc, etc...

Zip!
 
JB

JB

Member
Hi Iain

I'll definitely have one. Would imagine that the couple of outdoor centres that I work at regularly will have copies too.

Jules.
 
cap n chris

cap n chris

Well-known member
How many of the last edition were sold and how long can we expect this thread to become before the two come into equality with each other?
 
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owd git

Active member
Iain, as said the other day i approached dave mitchell of scarthin books. he's keen to discuss issue of printing. however he an a pal are about to paddle round a lump of the Hebrides, so he will contact on return .( best leave a note on scarthin web- site!) definitely keen, and i now have him and his son wanting to do an easy one, to whet appetites! Game on!!regards o.g.
 
bsaden

bsaden

New member
Just a wild thought, from chatting about it all in the pub last night - what about approaching the 'Rockfax' people?
It was also suggested that they might publish it under a new name of 'Squeezefax'!!
 
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robjones

New member
Will buy one; sure my Nottingham caving mate will too - he baulks at the current cost of second hand copies.

Normal trade discount is 33% - i.e. bookshops will expect to buy copies off you at 33% less than cover price. Income tax will probably take an interest too. So previous advice to set a sale price at twice printing cost is sound.

Printing is cheap these days. I co-authored a 700 page softback local history tome in 2002 (glossy paper, colour diagrams and maps, excellently reproduced B+W and colour photos) and it came in at ?14-odd per copy for a print run of 2000.

Advance subscribers will require postage. As all advance subcribers will probably buy from a shop anyway, is it worth the hassle of inviting pre-publication subscriptions?

A strong binding that will survive frequent reference in the pub is vital. Cicerone of Milnthorpe, Cumbria (the climbing/walking guide publishers) seem to have sensible bindings cracked. Take one of theirs along to your selected printers / binders (a great many printers subcontract the binding out) as a model. Maybe Cicerone might consider publishing it even?

Have you thought of going in combination with DCA or a local club? Some may have ISBNs unused that you could as a result use  - as someone earlier noted in this thread, ISBNs are cheaper if bought in batches. The advantage of having an ISBN is that the title gets widely listed and so various local bookshops will order a few, and ordering is made far easier for all booksellers.

If cash upfront to fund oprinting and binding is the problem, consider inviting DCA and various local clubs to take up shares in the venture.

If you produce more than 50 you have to send one to each of the seven copyright libraries, regardless of whether you have an ISBN.
 
paul

paul

Moderator
robjones said:
Have you thought of going in combination with DCA or a local club? Some may have ISBNs unused that you could as a result use  - as someone earlier noted in this thread, ISBNs are cheaper if bought in batches. The advantage of having an ISBN is that the title gets widely listed and so various local bookshops will order a few, and ordering is made far easier for all booksellers.

If cash upfront to fund oprinting and binding is the problem, consider inviting DCA and various local clubs to take up shares in the venture.
Click to expand...

The new Caves of the Peak Distict, like the previous one, will be a DCA Publication. Iain Barker and John Beck are the authors.

 
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Ralph

New member
Not being a statician: Does the result of the poll show that 97 said "yes", 3 said "no" and 2098 can't make their mind up are dont care either way.
 
david3392

david3392

Member
I can't add anything except to say how disappointed I was after tracking down a copy of COPD through Moore Books, only to find it had been sold at HE 09.  :mad: Put me down for one please  (y)
 
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