As for the good Cap'n. He has taken this old chap on several trips and his awareness of my frailties has been exemploray. I do believe there are some cavers who have a particular dislike to paid caving instructors. I have a friend who was introduced to caving this way and she has done very well since. As for femail unfriendly club premises I belong to Chelsea SS and Wessex CC who both have very tidy up to date facilities. The Chelsea host older school parties of both sexes.