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workshopmonkey
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cap 'n chris said:
So it's small but not hard hey chris, a common problem for southerners I hear :tease:
Response to BBC Ultimate Caving...
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So it's small but not hard hey chris, a common problem for southerners I hear :tease:
cap n chris
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:doubt:
Don't know what you're on about.
Don't know what you're on about.
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Agrophobic
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grand-moff said:
Dunno about him being n telly but sure i met him on Skye abt 10 yrs ago, possibly at Mike the Bas**d's.
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workshopmonkey
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Yeah at a Luib do before the hoose was poshed up ?
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grand-moff
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workshopmonkey said:
Not a real problem with a wife and 3 kids, chance would be a fine thing
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workshopmonkey
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Wife and three kids...luxury! don't know you're born! 
cap n chris
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Thinking about it I have changed my mind (apologies!) and freely admit to not actually finding Kate irritating in this programme - I think it was just a small part of one of the "trailers" in which this gave such an impression - she was actually a jolly good choice! - although she might not have thought so, judging by the number of times during the trips when she was clearly W A Y outside her comfort zone.
However, I did wake up thinking that, of all the TV organisations, it was a bit of a poor show of the BBC to have a spelling mistake in the subtitles in the Swildon's footage where they had written "scew" instead of "skew", talking about Kate's helmet being slightly to one side (normally something this trivial would be overlooked and not worth a second mention but.... the BBC!!! - how can this happen? - a silly oversight and probably best ignored but....).
One other thing; I got the distinct impression that there was some "helping" going on during the long ascent (but frankly that's hardly surprising if it's true).
Overall, however, I think it was a superb addition to the "good news" stories about caving and, despite the effusive adjectives, should do wonders to fire up people who will want to have a go - it should certainly help to filter out the faint-hearted!
Can we have more, please?
However, I did wake up thinking that, of all the TV organisations, it was a bit of a poor show of the BBC to have a spelling mistake in the subtitles in the Swildon's footage where they had written "scew" instead of "skew", talking about Kate's helmet being slightly to one side (normally something this trivial would be overlooked and not worth a second mention but.... the BBC!!! - how can this happen? - a silly oversight and probably best ignored but....).
One other thing; I got the distinct impression that there was some "helping" going on during the long ascent (but frankly that's hardly surprising if it's true).
Overall, however, I think it was a superb addition to the "good news" stories about caving and, despite the effusive adjectives, should do wonders to fire up people who will want to have a go - it should certainly help to filter out the faint-hearted!
Can we have more, please?
whitelackington
New member
if she enjoys long crawls perhaps they'll let her have a crawl into Darren :-\
Elaine
Active member
I think she was a very lucky girl to have the chance to climb out of Titan with a life line, a hunky blokie with her all the way - and she didn't have to carry any of the kit. Having said that, full credit for completing all the tasks.
They did make sump one seem much longer than it is though didn't they. That will gain me some respect from my non-caving friends who watched it!
They did make sump one seem much longer than it is though didn't they. That will gain me some respect from my non-caving friends who watched it!
cap n chris
Well-known member
Anne said:
Yes.
Bob Smith
Member
I agree they made sump 1 look far too long. Knowing how short it really is I wouldn't be suprised if this put a newbie off trying it for the first time, even with assurances that it only a few feet long. "no it's not, if seen it on the beeb, and it looked effing terrible." but apart from that cracking show. I reckon there may be a few moans about Moose telling the bloke not to be such a poof tho'.
Rob
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I have to say that was worth missing my caving trip for!
Great filming, and the way it was edited was very good, kept it fast paced and exciting. I liked so many of the way things were stuck together, such as comparing her sat outiside of swildons while he's freediving Sump 2, very entertaining and helps to keep reality in mind. And the split screen worked very well too.
). The third line was a backup which they had an ASAP attached to, as everything had to be done "properly" for this section of the job. And as for kit, they each had a tackle bag waiting for them at the bottom of TITAN that weighed about 40kg each. I don't think anybody would have prusiked TITAN with them
All in all, i thought it couldn't have been much better, and definately overcame my expecations. :bow:
Great filming, and the way it was edited was very good, kept it fast paced and exciting. I liked so many of the way things were stuck together, such as comparing her sat outiside of swildons while he's freediving Sump 2, very entertaining and helps to keep reality in mind. And the split screen worked very well too.
cap 'n chris said:
Both of them climbed all the way by themselves (well they were of course winched up the entranceAnne said:
). The third line was a backup which they had an ASAP attached to, as everything had to be done "properly" for this section of the job. And as for kit, they each had a tackle bag waiting for them at the bottom of TITAN that weighed about 40kg each. I don't think anybody would have prusiked TITAN with them All in all, i thought it couldn't have been much better, and definately overcame my expecations. :bow:
Mrs Trellis
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Agree it was very good to excellent - all four main caving regions visited, superb photography above and below ground, some gritty realism along with the "phwoar - what a column" stuff, some cave science, some technical stuff, and (as already mentioned) Moose's piccallilli (sp?).
For those interested in "larger" girls in the Cheese Press I remember a "role reversal" programme when Anneka Rice (where's she gone these days?) got her pert derriere firmly stuck?
Rob - a question if I may - when Kate & t'other did the Titan ascent - did they go in via Speedwell again?
Btw - I will now admit that the photo of me from 1969 (ish) was taken at Swildon's. Those trees looked oh so familiar
For those interested in "larger" girls in the Cheese Press I remember a "role reversal" programme when Anneka Rice (where's she gone these days?) got her pert derriere firmly stuck?
Rob - a question if I may - when Kate & t'other did the Titan ascent - did they go in via Speedwell again?
Btw - I will now admit that the photo of me from 1969 (ish) was taken at Swildon's. Those trees looked oh so familiar
Excellent filming, as I guess could be expected from the people involved.
I thought it was a very good programme, and I was prepared for it not to be.
Would the Long Crawl be something I did when I went about half-way to the end of DYO? - if so, I don't really remember it, and I guess if there was a cameraman in it crawling backwards...
I thought Anneka Rice had got her arse stuck in the connection in Calf Holes, not in Long Churn?
I thought it was a very good programme, and I was prepared for it not to be.
Would the Long Crawl be something I did when I went about half-way to the end of DYO? - if so, I don't really remember it, and I guess if there was a cameraman in it crawling backwards...
I thought Anneka Rice had got her arse stuck in the connection in Calf Holes, not in Long Churn?
Andy Sparrow
Active member
About the only good thing I can say about this program is that the filming was of a very high standard. Unfortunately the excellent visuals were undermined by the irritating fads of currently fashionable editing techiques. This generally means rapid cutting to create a chaotic blur of images many of which are shaky or out of focus.
What I disliked most about the film was its dishonesty.
This was a story with a pre-conceived plot, a contrived 'character arc' dependent upon fixed notions about the nature of caving. The 'script' goes something like this.... caving is extreme, caving is dangerous, it is grotty, claustrophobic and terrifying. Normal people do not do it. We will take a person cast on the basis of their unsuitability for this activity. We will confirm caving to be all the negative things that we assume it to be. The presenter will go on an emotional journey through extreme fear and hardship but will culminate in a moment of revelation that provides some justification for the activity - thus completing the 'character arc'. We need our characters to confirm the illusion - to talk about being entombed under tons of rock - we do not want them to ever say 'this is easy', 'this is fun', - that is not part of the story. But they are professionals - they understand the angle and the emotions the director needs from them - and the editor is there to ensure that it's all 'on message'.
Swildons is there to be difficult - that's it's function in the script - so we see no walking passages - we see no formations. And the Sump 1 section is quite deliberately edited to deceive - to create an illusion that the sump is much longer than it is in reality. No formations in Swildons because the script says they are to come in the next cave - Dan yr Ogof. But of course the Long Crawl has to be longer and tighter than it really is. Truth is irrelevant - only the story and the 'arc' matter. The prejudices of the producers, and of the viewing public, remain intact and are confirmed - it has to be true - it's on the telly - caving is claustrophobic, dangerous, grotty and masochistic. The power of the media is used once again to undermine and corrupt the reality of caving and even on this website their efforts are appluaded.
Give me strength.
What I disliked most about the film was its dishonesty.
This was a story with a pre-conceived plot, a contrived 'character arc' dependent upon fixed notions about the nature of caving. The 'script' goes something like this.... caving is extreme, caving is dangerous, it is grotty, claustrophobic and terrifying. Normal people do not do it. We will take a person cast on the basis of their unsuitability for this activity. We will confirm caving to be all the negative things that we assume it to be. The presenter will go on an emotional journey through extreme fear and hardship but will culminate in a moment of revelation that provides some justification for the activity - thus completing the 'character arc'. We need our characters to confirm the illusion - to talk about being entombed under tons of rock - we do not want them to ever say 'this is easy', 'this is fun', - that is not part of the story. But they are professionals - they understand the angle and the emotions the director needs from them - and the editor is there to ensure that it's all 'on message'.
Swildons is there to be difficult - that's it's function in the script - so we see no walking passages - we see no formations. And the Sump 1 section is quite deliberately edited to deceive - to create an illusion that the sump is much longer than it is in reality. No formations in Swildons because the script says they are to come in the next cave - Dan yr Ogof. But of course the Long Crawl has to be longer and tighter than it really is. Truth is irrelevant - only the story and the 'arc' matter. The prejudices of the producers, and of the viewing public, remain intact and are confirmed - it has to be true - it's on the telly - caving is claustrophobic, dangerous, grotty and masochistic. The power of the media is used once again to undermine and corrupt the reality of caving and even on this website their efforts are appluaded.
Give me strength.
Peter Burgess
New member
Well, isn't it? I am happy to one of a minority of humans who actually enjoy the challenge of visiting places that are potentially "claustrophobic, dangerous, grotty and masochistic", and exploring them in a way that overcomes these risks. If any viewer think they have a similar temperament, let's hope they come forward. Otherwise, I don't want to go caving with people who think it's going to be easy and fun all the time, because it isn't.
BTW, of course caving is 'grotty'.
