"The Economic Miracle of China" Is the pollution worth it?

[cap n chris]

This is a very precise date, Chris. How come?

Sorry it's a bit blurred; got some better shots on archival disc somewhere.



Precise enough for you?

 

[Peter Burgess]

Thank you Chris.

I wasn't doubting your statement, just curious as a handprint is an odd thing to be able to date.

If only other annoying questions like mine could be answered here so promptly 

You could have just said it was none of my business.  :

 

[cap n chris]

You're welcome, Peter. However, it's a good point since it has made me realise that the child's hand prints are probably as interesting as those graffiti - so it's my oversight that I've not got a photographic record of them (something I should do sometime, with a scale swatch in shot).

 

[Peter Burgess]

It's things like this that bring history to life. A name and a date on the wall have a certain value, but to be able to tie it into a bit of social history (like child labour) adds an extra dimension to a feature. We have (had) some 1911 graffiti and names and dates in pencil on a wall, but without a newspaper account from the time of the surprise discovery of the ancient mines following a flood which washed the entrance open, it is (was) just a set of names, initials and dates. The devastation caused underground by the flood is there to be seen by anyone who opens their eyes.

 

[whitelackington]

All very interesting,
if rather upsetting to realize six year old children were coerced into working in lead mines on Mendip.
I bet that not many of those poor children lived to a ripe old age.
We are upset these days if one of our friends who is seventy dies,
we think they been taken too young.

 

[whitelackington]

China's economy accelerating away.
Now they are building a major coal fired power station every two days,
unbelievable as this seems, The Chinese Government have confirmed this.

 

[Peter Burgess]

Two a week is not one every two days.

 

[cap n chris]

China is opening a new coal fired power station every four DAYS

i.e. one and a bit per week in January, now gone up to two per week by June; looks like they're accelerating the growth rate of their response to their growth rate, then.

 

[whitelackington]

Two a week is not one every two days.

That's alright then, now no need to panick.
Global Warming on the back foot

 

[Peter Burgess]

That's alright then, now no need to panick.

But every need to get your facts right if you want credibility.

 

[kay]

What proportion of China's expansion is because of our desire to buy Chinese goods?

 

[whitelackington]

What proportion of China's expansion is because of our desire to buy Chinese goods?

If by, our, Kay, you mean "the rest of the world"
then I would guess,
most of it. :-\

 

[cap n chris]

Slightly skewed, surely; it's not a desire to buy Chinese goods, per se; it's a desire to buy cheap goods - i.e. economics, plain and simple.

 

[whitelackington]

It wil be impossible for us to economically compete with China  :-\
they are using child and slave labour
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/asia-pacific/6759399.stm

We barely build any new power stations,
we buy most of the stuff we want from India & China,

we have effectively exported our jobs / pollution to Asia


Question why are hundreds of thousands of migrants coming to The U.K.
Why do they not go to China :-\

 

[cap n chris]

... because they can share a caravan with some chums, get a job earning minimum wage, save up hundreds/thousands of pounds and go home where it equates into FAR GREATER purchasing power, effectively making them wealthy - repeat on a regular basis and it's a neat way of earning a good living - six months on, six months off.

 

[anfieldman]

Question why are hundreds of thousands of migrants coming to The U.K.
Why do they not go to China :-\

China obviously has enough people to cope with the extra work that it is generating. People are giving up rural work and rural living to move to the big cities and work there.

 

[AndyF]

Question why are hundreds of thousands of migrants coming to The U.K.
Why do they not go to China :-\

...because you have to do work to get money in China..... 8)

 

[cap n chris]

 

[anfieldman]

Question why are hundreds of thousands of migrants coming to The U.K.
Why do they not go to China :-\

...because you have to do work to get money in China..... 8)

True

 

[graham]

Question why are hundreds of thousands of migrants coming to The U.K.
Why do they not go to China :-\

They come here to get jobs picking fruit.

Or not, as the case may be.