Vally ent rope has been removed

[Alex]

We never play nice, lol, its a running theme on this forum.

Depends what you call a consensus hehe.

 

[droid]

People are getting a bit carried away here.

It's been known for at least the last 3 decades that if you want to do a Swinsto/Simpsons ab-through, then you send a party to the roof tunnel to rig a ladder or a rope.

Any party that took a flyer on gear being there was stuck if it wasn't, but having left an ETA somewhere, the FIRST thing anyone did was to scuttle off to the roof tunnel with a ladder. Problem solved.

No need for notices plastered everywhere, no panic, no deaths.

Common f**king sense4. If you haven't got it take up knitting.

 

[Hammy]

I reckon the notices at Easegill regarding removal of fixed equipment on through trips were in place for at least ten years.

There has been fixed equipment at Valley Entrance for at least twenty years.

Could somebody explain why there seem to be differing policies for what appears to be the same issue?

 

[Blakethwaite]

Could somebody explain why there seem to be differing policies for what appears to be the same issue?

I was wondering that. The fixed rope at Wretched Rabbit is on a climb which seems to be of a vaguely similar level of difficulty. Bar having to add another half an hour on to your day to rig it in advance what's the argument for having one rope and not the other?

 

[droid]

Answer's simple.

Take the lot out. Then no-one wil be abe to moan about dffering standards....

 

[langcliffe]

I was not saying you were selfish so hence why I drew attention to how selfish the view was as I know thats not what you are like and I hoped you realised what you were implying.

You indicated that an honestly held opinion of mine was "selfish and heartless". If I hold such opinions that makes me "selfish and heartless", because my character is reflected by my opinions.

If you didn't intend to call Graham and myself "selfish and heartless" on a public forum, then I suggest that you apologise to us on the same public forum.  If you do believe us to be "selfish and heartless", then fair enough - you are fully entitled to your opinion.

 

[paull]

talking of Valley Entance and to change the subject , anyone want to make a new lid ? its in far worse state than the rope was 

 

[dunc]

talking of Valley Entance and to change the subject , anyone want to make a new lid ? its in far worse state than the rope was 

Well I hope they tell everyone on here and put up a sign to warn people of its existence. Can you imagine people doing a through trip then finding a lid barring their exit.. Dread to think of the consequences.  :

 

[graham]

I was not saying you were selfish so hence why I drew attention to how selfish the view was as I know thats not what you are like and I hoped you realised what you were implying.

You indicated that an honestly held opinion of mine was "selfish and heartless". If I hold such opinions that makes me "selfish and heartless", because my character is reflected by my opinions.

If you didn't intend to call Graham and myself "selfish and heartless" on a public forum, then I suggest that you apologise to us on the same public forum.  If you do believe us to be "selfish and heartless", then fair enough - you are fully entitled to your opinion.

Now. is it me that's heartless & you selfish, or is it the other way around?  :-\

 

[caving_fox]

Could somebody explain why there seem to be differing policies for what appears to be the same issue?

I was wondering that. The fixed rope at Wretched Rabbit is on a climb which seems to be of a vaguely similar level of difficulty. Bar having to add another half an hour on to your day to rig it in advance what's the argument for having one rope and not the other?

Bit more than half an hour? If You're through tripping you walk past VE, but have the cross the Dale to get to WR and then back again? ALso - not as easy to rig? CUrrently there's 1/2" hauser in WR as a very good handline, - 9mm wouldn't be anywhere near as easy. You can't rig a ladder, and would have awkward rub points for SRT - plus several rebelays, rather than the very easy VE single pitch.

 

[Alex]

And it means you no longer have an emergency exit if the way you came in is flooded or you pulled through. (Yes I know there is now boundary, but that floods at the drop of a hat when rabbit would be passable and not many know thier way out through there yet)

 

[Fulk]

Quote from caving_fox:

You can't rig a ladder [in WR]

Why not?

 

[Pony]

We never play nice, lol, its a running theme on this forum.
LOL Thought you guys would be having wet socks at dawn at Ingleton square

 

[Fulk]

More like handbags.  :tease:

 

[langcliffe]

More like handbags.  :tease:

Alex told me about a year on this forum that he didn't like me. At least I now know  two of the reasons.

 

[Alex]

I thought it was you did not like me, well at least that is what I thought at the time.

Shall we say 9 oclock, I will see if I can borrow someones prada? handbag.

 

[kay]

Thank God for that! At least it was nt a perfectly sound one. Now if I had decided to replace said rope I'd firstly put word out that it was in a poor condition to warn other folk of the danger and it be a case of on your head be it untill it was replaced. If it was such a danger to life and limb and needed to be removed immediately I d do that and then get word out straight away. Doesnt take 5 minutes to pop into Ingleton and get the jungle drums fired up, and this has taken me a couple of minutes to post. Hardly an inconvenience, as opposed to a party getting stuck and an avertable callout taking place. Now that is an inconvenience. But it has nt. Just a lack of old fashioned common and communication.

But they did say they were going to remove it. Or am I missing something?

 

[IanWalker]

thanks for consulting us before deciding whether to install or replace fixed aids on this pitch. thanks for removing the poor-condition rope. thanks for letting us know what you have done.

ian.

 

[ianball11]

thanks for consulting us before, thanks for removing the poor-condition rope, thanks for letting us know what you have done.
ian.

agreed

 

[Pony]

Here here. My point exactly ! Time to move on. Game over?