cap n chris
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Woah! Peter and Graham are rocking on!
Peter Burgess said:In this thread, the underground holes at Redcliffe have been variously called 'sand quarries' (Graham), 'mines' (c**tplaces) and 'caves' (Hughie).
The traditional meaning of 'quarry' is a place where squared block stone is worked, surface or underground. The modern meaning is an opencast extraction site for mineral/rock.
So Graham is wrong on both counts.
The term 'mine' is far more accurate, although traditionally, a mine need not necessarily be underground.
The term 'cave' might be OK if the excavations were primarily made to create underground space, for storage for example.
So c**tplaces wins the prize for using the best terminology, and Graham has to do more homework tonight.
cap 'n chris said:Woah! Peter and Graham are rocking on!
Peter Burgess said:graham said:My understand after 30 years and six months study of the underground is that mines are where minerals are extracted from; whereas quarries are where country rock is removed. Surface or underground is not really relevant. However, there are always discussions as to the nature of coal as both underground and open cast workings are commonly referred to as mines.
Well, bully for you. I was specifically describing the terms as used in their traditional or historical context, and not the modern usage. I would be very interested to see any historical references you may have to 'building stone mines', say pre-1850?
Peter Burgess said:cap 'n chris said:Woah! Peter and Graham are rocking on!
Shhh! Don't disturb him. He's busy looking for a pre-1850 reference to "building stone mines".
Peter Burgess said:Concede, you fool, concede! The Redcliffe Caves have never been called quarries (except by you as far as I know) - prove me wrong!
Bob Smith said:if i recall correctly weren't they dug to provide high quality red sand for manufacture of Bristol blue glass?
Peter Burgess said:Like the Reigate caves - sand mines which have frequently been called caves. Never quarries. I am prepared to be corrected if the caves were only dug to provide storage space. Still not quarries, though.
wormster said:Peter Burgess said:Like the Reigate caves - sand mines which have frequently been called caves. Never quarries. I am prepared to be corrected if the caves were only dug to provide storage space. Still not quarries, though.
How about Hosey Common??
c**tplaces said:This is interesting, do we have a reference to check this out as it would be the proper answer as to why Box is called a Quarry and not a Mine.The traditional meaning of 'quarry' is a place where squared block stone is worked, surface or underground.
ChrisJC said:But does it really matter?
ChrisJC said:Italy and Greece were relatively poor in minerals, thus they did not contribute a word for this to Eng
allowed Athens to build the fleet which defeated the Persians at Salamis