Wood burners

Ian Ball

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I was under the impression oak was the king of wood burning fuel?

On my only visit to the club base of the Wessex, I was mightily impressed by their fire wood, fire doors ha!
 

SamT

Moderator
That's 'primary' energy Chris, and is a whole other can of worms.  Not many fuels fare too well when you start scratching the surface of primary energy.  Even dirty coal has to be delivered in trucks.
 

AR

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Ian Ball said:
I was under the impression oak was the king of wood burning fuel?

On my only visit to the club base of the Wessex, I was mightily impressed by their fire wood, fire doors ha!

No, ash has always been the best firewood - it's naturally low in moisture hence why it can be burned unseasoned, and burns even better when left for a while to completely dry.
 

ChrisJC

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SamT said:
That's 'primary' energy Chris, and is a whole other can of worms.  Not many fuels fare too well when you start scratching the surface of primary energy.  Even dirty coal has to be delivered in trucks.

But surely if your ultimate aim is to save the planet, you do need to open that can of worms!

If the tractor is burning more kiloJoules in Diesel than you will get from the biomass being grown, I would argue that you have actually made the planet worse off.

So you have to include everything you can in your calculations.

Chris.
 

SamT

Moderator
ChrisJC said:
SamT said:
That's 'primary' energy Chris, and is a whole other can of worms.  Not many fuels fare too well when you start scratching the surface of primary energy.  Even dirty coal has to be delivered in trucks.
But surely if your ultimate aim is to save the planet, you do need to open that can of worms!
If the tractor is burning more kiloJoules in Diesel than you will get from the biomass being grown, I would argue that you have actually made the planet worse off.
So you have to include everything you can in your calculations.
Chris.

I totally agree with you. Primary energy is the metric we should all be working with. (And the powers that be will most likely be introducing this in the next verision of the Part L building regs next year).

This topic was not about the pro's and cons various fossil fuel replacements, on a national or international scale.  Neither have I been advocating biogas, or biomass.  I personally don't buy logs.  I've relied, so far on windfalls etc, and our log burner is not our primary source of heat, its for occasional use, when having a cosy night in, in front of the telly, thus my 'primary energy use' involved is very low (I'll admit to using a petrol powered chainsaw to chop a lot of them though). 

But you seem to just be saying, in a flippant sort of way, sod it, lets start burning coal again, which I cant agree with.

 

cavemanmike

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Like you Sam I've never bought a log in my life, I'm lucky enough to have a friend with a large woodlands which I help take out wind damage, on another note what are your thoughts on putting plastic pipes in the bottom of my horsemuck area to generate heat, I've seen stuff on utube which is making me think
 

Roger W

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mr conners said:
MDF, if it is free
Chuck it on,
and warm you?ll be.

Unfortunately it seems you are best avoiding this, and other processed wood products like plywood.  The glue in them won't do you or your flue any good.

Maybe we could say:

MDF is nasty stuff:
Glue resins choke your flue.
And if you have to breathe the smoke,
It's just as bad for you.
 

ChrisJC

Well-known member
SamT said:
But you seem to just be saying, in a flippant sort of way, sod it, lets start burning coal again, which I cant agree with.

What I am saying is that we should not exclude burning coal on principle. If it is actually better for the planet overall, then we should do so.

Chris.
 

pwhole

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And it does look pretty cool too, in the right light, especially at fridge-size lumps. Not your nutty slack, this stuff ;)
 

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SamT

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ChrisJC said:
What I am saying is that we should not exclude burning coal on principle. If it is actually better for the planet overall, then we should do so.
Chris.

Is it not now well established that its not better for the planet  :-\
 

ChrisJC

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SamT said:
Is it not now well established that its not better for the planet  :-\

I think all we have established is that coal burning is bad, and greener alternatives may be better or may be worse. We haven't taken a sufficiently holistic view to know!

Chris.
 

MarkS

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ChrisJC said:
I think all we have established is that coal burning is bad, and greener alternatives may be better or may be worse. We haven't taken a sufficiently holistic view to know!

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Nature Energy, 2, 939?945 (2017)
 

SamT

Moderator
ChrisJC said:
We haven't taken a sufficiently holistic view to know!

Haven't we??

Are you talking 'we' as in the contributors to this thread on ukc, or are you talking 'we' as in the human race.
 

pwhole

Well-known member
Just a quick update to this thread - not looking good for wood burners! I had to divert around tree-loving Rustlings Road yesterday, so plentiful was the rustic fragrant haze :)

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2021/dec/17/wood-burners-urban-air-pollution-cancer-risk-study

Research published in the last year has shown wood burning in homes is the single biggest source of small particle air pollution in the UK, producing three times more than road traffic, despite just 8% of the population using wood burners.
 

grahams

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Good luck with a ban. Here in the Lake District we're up to our eyeballs in much needed free firewood thanks to Arwen's devastation of the forests. The Grunny seems to have forgotten that (a) it's cold and (b) energy prices have gone through the roof.

If the Grunny is attempting to start a cancer panic they'd be better considering the effects of the many cancer causing compounds in the home rather than targeting wood burning. As the stats provided in the article are pretty meaningless, the Grunny could also consult their very own Ben Goldacre regarding the presentation of statistics in their articles.
 

ChrisJC

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grahams said:
Good luck with a ban. Here in the Lake District we're up to our eyeballs in much needed free firewood thanks to Arwen's devastation of the forests. The Grunny seems to have forgotten that (a) it's cold and (b) energy prices have gone through the roof.

If the Grunny is attempting to start a cancer panic they'd be better considering the effects of the many cancer causing compounds in the home rather than targeting wood burning. As the stats provided in the article are pretty meaningless, the Grunny could also consult their very own Ben Goldacre regarding the presentation of statistics in their articles.

You have to remember that the Grauniad can't see past the M25, so the shenanigans of rural yokels in the Lake District is of no interest.

Chris.
 

kay

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ChrisJC said:
You have to remember that the Grauniad can't see past the M25, so the shenanigans of rural yokels in the Lake District is of no interest.

Chris.

It does at least have a Northern Editor. And she is actually based in the North.
 
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