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Re: Doom
« Reply #25 on: July 10, 2012, 09:04:51 am »
Well done to everyone involved, you must be dead chuffed at finding this. Can't wait till you can sort out another entrance & some official access so the rest of us can take a look! What a great find  :clap2:
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Re: Doom
« Reply #26 on: July 10, 2012, 09:06:48 am »
And Drips!

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Re: Doom
« Reply #27 on: July 10, 2012, 09:25:21 am »
Great stuff!   :thumbsup:   :thumbsup:   :thumbsup:
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Re: Doom
« Reply #28 on: July 10, 2012, 10:30:27 am »
Well done to everyone involved, first for getting access for the Expedition (no mean feat) and for the inspired bit of pushing that led to this huge breakthrough.

I can't help wishing we'd found it when we found the first pipe caverns in the 1980s. We had a reasonable access, and at least there was a shaft, alas now covered with a concrete raft and probably knackered.

It does help to explain where all the huge heaps of spar that were being worked in the 1920s came from! I never felt that there was enough space underground to have provided it all.


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Re: Doom
« Reply #29 on: July 10, 2012, 10:42:22 am »
Can't believe I'm asking this, but where is 'Doom'?

Anywhere around here?

Well done guys  :clap2:
« Last Edit: July 10, 2012, 05:59:27 pm by SamT, Reason: Removed map at the request of the diggers on grounds of sensitive nature of access »

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Re: Doom
« Reply #30 on: July 10, 2012, 10:57:27 am »
Congratulations to everyone involved.

SWCC members take note: see what happens when you apply yourselves to some UK-based cave exploration?

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Re: Doom
« Reply #31 on: July 10, 2012, 11:03:52 am »
Well done everyone, looks pretty good down there and it's just a shame that there isn't another viable point of access at the moment, but if there are other shafts and ore chutes, there must be another point of access somewhere!

I can't help wishing we'd found it when we found the first pipe caverns in the 1980s. We had a reasonable access, and at least there was a shaft, alas now covered with a concrete raft and probably knackered.

It does help to explain where all the huge heaps of spar that were being worked in the 1920s came from! I never felt that there was enough space underground to have provided it all.

 What sort of date do you reckon for the workings John, just going by the photos I'd guess the wagon and barrow date to the 19th century workings at Glebe, but are there any other clues to date? Is the cap over the Glebe shaft under someone's house or in a garden, and if it's the latter would they object to  some excavation?

Oh, and just to reassure the OCC guys, I thought the H&H rules were that to be eligible, a discovery had to be completely untouched so anything t'owd man had got into couldn't be entered for the prize?
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Re: Doom
« Reply #32 on: July 10, 2012, 11:45:18 am »
The shaft is under a driveway, and takes the surface runoff from the new estate. There is a manhole (Doug is standing on it in the pic) into a small chamber into which the drains discharge, with two four inch pipes in the floor. The contractors, for some reason known only to themselves, drilled diagonally into the shaft from about 10 metres away after all this was complete, so undoubtedly pushed the ginging in. I think once everything settles down there may be some alternative arrangement, but be patient. I might get to see it all before I'm too old!

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Re: Doom
« Reply #33 on: July 10, 2012, 12:04:46 pm »
Re. dates for the workings. The Pippin Swallow, which was rediscovered during the site development, was buried in the mid 1800s so there may not have been much large scale work before then. By the 1880s there was a thriving industry there, with a headstocks and a big area of washing floors, crushers etc. It probably does date from the late 1800s in that case.

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Re: Doom
« Reply #34 on: July 10, 2012, 12:08:23 pm »
Well done and congratulations!
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Re: Doom
« Reply #35 on: July 10, 2012, 12:22:34 pm »
Congratulations to everyone involved.

SWCC members take note: see what happens when you apply yourselves to some UK-based cave exploration?

[shameless plug] SWCC Digging Week, 27th - 31st Aug 2012 [/shameless plug]

I totally endorse what Tony says above!

Well done boys.

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Re: Doom
« Reply #36 on: July 10, 2012, 12:54:08 pm »
John, think me, thee, Pembo n Ian should make sure we have rope and srt kits at the dig tomorrow, just in case we find the connection down to this new stuff.  ;)

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Re: Doom
« Reply #37 on: July 10, 2012, 01:03:08 pm »
Echo all the well-deserved congratulations in ..er.. spades.   :clap2:

How much natural is buried under t'owd man's waste in Derbyshire!
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Re: Doom
« Reply #38 on: July 10, 2012, 01:09:51 pm »
Oh, and just to reassure the OCC guys, I thought the H&H rules were that to be eligible, a discovery had to be completely untouched so anything t'owd man had got into couldn't be entered for the prize?

Actually it could be eligible  ;)

 :read: http://www.hitchnhike.co.uk/peak_district_cave_exploration_award_rules_2011.html

According to the 2011 rules, mine passage can't be included (Rule 5), cave passage can be included if it is previously undocumented (Rule 2) which is the case (as far as I'm aware). However, cavers must be able freely visit the site without any major access restriction (Rule 17) - which currently isn't the case. :(

Obviously it'd be great to win the competition (not sure if we're in the lead or not, and there are other teams/sites which could still find some good stuff, or maybe they already have!? heh! Dunno what has been found in Gateham Swallet etc). Having said that, and in good sportsmanship, I really do hope the diggers find another entrance with access for all.  :)
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Re: Doom
« Reply #39 on: July 10, 2012, 02:07:00 pm »
By my rough calculations there is already over 250m of unalterated natural in the new stuff, so i guess we're winning once we get the access sorted........

As for age, i'm no pro at all, but there are candles and wooden wheelbarrows around which suggests to me it's pretty old.

One thing i would say is it is all very tidy, no rubbish laying around anywhere. It's especially tidy when compared with more modern mines which are now abandoned, and I'm sure there's people who who'll rant on about the reasons behind this......
« Last Edit: July 10, 2012, 06:01:38 pm by SamT »
The end is where we start....

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Re: Doom
« Reply #40 on: July 10, 2012, 02:26:25 pm »
Totally agree with your sporting sentiments Pipster!!!   We're in it for the discovery, the rope is just something extra.  :)

Good luck to every digger!   :thumbsup:

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Re: Doom
« Reply #41 on: July 10, 2012, 03:05:41 pm »


Actually it could be eligible  ;)

 :read: http://www.hitchnhike.co.uk/peak_district_cave_exploration_award_rules_2011.html

According to the 2011 rules, mine passage can't be included (Rule 5), cave passage can be included if it is previously undocumented (Rule 2) which is the case (as far as I'm aware). However, cavers must be able freely visit the site without any major access restriction (Rule 17) - which currently isn't the case. :(

Obviously it'd be great to win the competition (not sure if we're in the lead or not, and there are other teams/sites which could still find some good stuff, or maybe they already have!? heh! Dunno what has been found in Gateham Swallet etc). Having said that, and in good sportsmanship, I really do hope the diggers find another entrance with access for all.  :)
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Or could it;

"12: What if someone finds some new cave but doesn't want to publicise where it is for some reason?
If the location and details of a new cave are kept secret can't be included. All the details and survey information have to be publicised."  :-\ :-\ :shrug:
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Re: Doom
« Reply #42 on: July 10, 2012, 03:36:59 pm »
but it is not the one we were looking for this doesn't appear to be the Eyam Edge swallets water

Bit disappointing then!

Massive congratulations to all involved.

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Re: Doom
« Reply #43 on: July 10, 2012, 03:38:15 pm »
Or could it;

"12: What if someone finds some new cave but doesn't want to publicise where it is for some reason?
If the location and details of a new cave are kept secret can't be included. All the details and survey information have to be publicised."  :-\ :-\ :shrug:
Once we have found a suitable entrance all the details will be publicised......Exactly why i said:
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...i guess we're winning once we get the access sorted........
The end is where we start....

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Re: Doom
« Reply #44 on: July 10, 2012, 04:16:22 pm »
Or could it;

"12: What if someone finds some new cave but doesn't want to publicise where it is for some reason?
If the location and details of a new cave are kept secret can't be included. All the details and survey information have to be publicised."  :-\ :-\ :shrug:

Well that one won't count Bograt, as the location isn't secret! I can't imagine any reason why the diggers won't publish more details and a survey even if a new entrance can't be established any time soon. ;)

PS. Last years exploits in the Wet West were publish in Descent 224. :)
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Re: Doom
« Reply #45 on: July 10, 2012, 04:21:58 pm »
Well done to everyone involved, first for getting access for the Expedition (no mean feat) and for the inspired bit of pushing that led to this huge breakthrough.

I can't help wishing we'd found it when we found the first pipe caverns in the 1980s. We had a reasonable access, and at least there was a shaft, alas now covered with a concrete raft and probably knackered.

It does help to explain where all the huge heaps of spar that were being worked in the 1920s came from! I never felt that there was enough space underground to have provided it all.



Which one is you in the picture John? ;D

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Re: Doom
« Reply #46 on: July 10, 2012, 04:22:36 pm »
A number of mined out shafts can be seen to head up in the roof, one with quite a lot of dips coming down, so hopes are high for a surface connection with that one. Also we haven't even got to the end of the main level yet, let alone most of the side passages, so who knows where it may go!?!
Thanks Rob; sounds pretty hopefull for another surface connection. :thumbsup:
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Re: Doom
« Reply #47 on: July 10, 2012, 04:29:51 pm »
Well done to everyone involved, first for getting access for the Expedition (no mean feat) and for the inspired bit of pushing that led to this huge breakthrough.

I can't help wishing we'd found it when we found the first pipe caverns in the 1980s. We had a reasonable access, and at least there was a shaft, alas now covered with a concrete raft and probably knackered.

It does help to explain where all the huge heaps of spar that were being worked in the 1920s came from! I never felt that there was enough space underground to have provided it all.



Which one is you in the picture John? ;D

Also, have you been able to work out where this photo was taken, John?

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Re: Doom
« Reply #48 on: July 10, 2012, 04:40:15 pm »
Right lets get something straight last year this place had a different owner, we do not fully know our position with the new owners yet. If we do find another entrance something will have to be done about the existing one. For the time being we have an arrangement which is really delicate and it would be better for everyone involved if it where not discussed here. The name Mystery mine is for a reason Mark C most cavers know exactly where it is !!!!

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Re: Doom
« Reply #49 on: July 10, 2012, 04:53:14 pm »
The picture was taken from about here, but from the top of the hillock which has now gone.

Sad isn't it?

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