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Re: Doom
« Reply #50 on: July 10, 2012, 06:22:09 pm »
Very sad, not a tree in sight  :(
We must be willing to get rid of the life we've planned, so as to have the life waiting for us.

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« Reply #51 on: July 10, 2012, 06:54:28 pm »
Crikey John, that really is a shame. So all that industrial archaeology fell victim to creeping urbanisation.

By the way, well done folks on a very fine discovery.

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Re: Doom
« Reply #52 on: July 10, 2012, 08:26:31 pm »
When the urban residents find out whats underneeth their homes there might a few moving out!
Then they might find the values have fallen or worse still ,nobody will lend money on them.
Could be a case of a little bit to much knowlege being dangerous!

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Re: Doom
« Reply #53 on: July 10, 2012, 08:33:33 pm »
Here's a small collection of snaps from the trip yesterday. There would be more, of probably better quality
I like the way he calls them snaps and says could have been probably better quality - I'd be most happy with a decent set of "snaps" like that!

Great short climb/traverse and digging efforts, a fine reward.  :thumbsup:

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Re: Doom
« Reply #54 on: July 10, 2012, 08:54:37 pm »
Wow! What a discovery; congratulations to all concerned  :bow:  :beer2:
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Re: Doom
« Reply #55 on: July 11, 2012, 06:43:34 pm »
Unfortunately it seems that mystery mine has been named on a mine exploration forum. I'm not a member there but have asked Sougher to try and get the name removed.

If anyone here is a member of that forum (OG?) maybe they can do something.
« Last Edit: July 11, 2012, 06:52:16 pm by Speleokitty »

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« Reply #56 on: July 11, 2012, 07:22:22 pm »
There's probably enough info on here for a determined researcher to work out the name.

Maybe if the location was supposed to be 'secret' being a bit more careful with the info might have been useful?
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« Reply #57 on: July 11, 2012, 08:07:48 pm »
Sounds like an exciting discovery. Well done to all concerned.

However, if you wanted to keep it even just a little teensy-weensy bit secret then perhaps it might have been better not to post it all over a national caving forum the day after you've found it?

Reminds me a bit of when Draenen went in '94 and word got out so fast due to the lack of restraint shown by some of those involved. No internet forums back then but going straight down to Cardiff's main caving shop the following day and telling anyone who would listen exactly what they'd found was certainly the next best thing!

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« Reply #58 on: July 11, 2012, 08:23:36 pm »
I've hidden it from general view on AN.

Droid has however hit the nail firmly on the head.

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Re: Doom
« Reply #59 on: July 11, 2012, 08:47:53 pm »
PS. Last years exploits in the Wet West were publish in Descent 224. :)

Ahah, having reread that article, I now know roughly where it is. Pity a housing estate seems to have been built  over some of it... Such is 'progress'.  :( Great pic from John B, btw. Here's hoping for another entrance somewhere...

Wish I could have got up for the expo, but no transport atm...  :(
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Re: Doom
« Reply #60 on: July 11, 2012, 08:52:48 pm »
From what I understand it is not that we are trying to keep it secret - if that were the case we would indeed be very silly to put it on UKcaving. We are however just trying to avoid typing the name of the mine so if the new owners do google their mine we don't pop up straight away! That said we do have permission to be there, and we are hopeful of a good relationship with the new owners - as it sounds like they have some favours we could help them out with.....

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« Reply #61 on: July 11, 2012, 09:59:20 pm »
Yes, I can see that you are not trying to keep the discovery itself secret but having chosen to go down the public route it increases the chances of the actual location being named (as you are discovering).

Don't get me wrong, I certainly admire such an open approach but I just hope it doesn't backfire on you by having an adverse effect on long term access. It's not what I would have done but that's probably due to the fact that I've lived in South Wales too long. Find anything worthwhile down here and the first thing that will happen is that somebody will want to stick a gate on it!

Anyway, I hope things turn out well for you and you find loads more passage (along with another way in).

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« Reply #62 on: July 11, 2012, 10:22:31 pm »
What a fantastic find.
Well done all.


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« Reply #63 on: July 11, 2012, 10:24:36 pm »
Find anything worthwhile down here and the first thing that will happen is that somebody will want to stick a gate on it!

There's nowt wrong with gates, just do them like we do in the Peak, so you just need a Derbyshire Key (ie:- adjustable spanner) to open them.  :)

Stops the general public from entering and falling  down a shaft or whatever, but allows cavers easy access.

Many caves round my main caving area are near public footpaths, so gates are esp. important for the landowners... All can be opened with spanners though... just need to keep the bolts greased so they don't seize up..
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Re: Doom
« Reply #64 on: July 11, 2012, 10:52:23 pm »
Well said Mel, Nowt wrong with a gate and Derbyshire key.

However lets not make this thread a debate about gates, we will leave that to the Mendip and South Wales sections of the forum........

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« Reply #65 on: July 11, 2012, 11:06:18 pm »
Lol Katie. Fair point. Look forward to some more (great) photos of any new stuff if you have continued access, keep up the good work... Keeps me inspired while I'm not able to get up there...
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« Reply #66 on: July 11, 2012, 11:14:55 pm »
There's nowt wrong with gates, just do them like we do in the Peak, so you just need a Derbyshire Key (ie:- adjustable spanner) to open them.  :)

Stops the general public from entering and falling  down a shaft or whatever, but allows cavers easy access.

Sounds like a good policy.

Right, let's see how long it takes to get all the major systems down here in Wales gated along the same lines!

Sorry, Katie - I'll go now.

(Hopefully this will mean that if your new discovery requires gating once a new entrance is found it will be via this method. That would be fine with me.)

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« Reply #67 on: July 12, 2012, 09:36:43 am »
I admire the cooperative spirit in which this discovery has been made, and the openness with which it has been announced. A good example of how cavers can act like grown ups, I'd say.

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« Reply #68 on: July 12, 2012, 10:52:15 pm »
This old newspaper cutting may be interesting:-

Sheffield and Rotherham Independent.
3rd. April 1884
Valuable lands, Messuage, Mines, Buildings and Mining Machinery, situate at or near Eyam, in the county of Derby, the property of the Eyam Mining Company
To be sold by auction by Mr. Isaac Ellis, at the Miner's Arms Inn, Eyam aforesaid, on Thursday, the 3rd. April, at Four o'clock in the Afternoon prompt, in the following or such other lots as may be determined upon at time of sale, and subject to the Conditions to be then produced: -
Lot 1: The New Dusty Pits and Old Dusty Pits Lead Mines, and Mineral Possessions, situate between Eyam and Foolow, in the Manor or Mineral Liberty of Stoney Middleton and Eyam. And also all the Piece of Land known as New Dusty Pits, abuting on the Turnpike Road leading from Eyam to Foolow, and forming the site of the surface workings of the said New Dusty Pits Mine, and containing 1 acres or thereabouts, together with the substantial buildings standing thereon, and also all that piece of land, being the site of the surface works of the Old Dusty Pits Mine, together with certain rights of drainage through the Morewood Sough. The Dusty Pits Mines were for many years the most productive in Derbyshire, and a fresh trial might be made at a small outlay.
Lot 2: The Haycliffe Mine and Mineral Possessions, situate in Eyam Edge, in the Manor or Mineral Liberty of Eyam aforesaid, together with certain rights of drainage through the Morewood Sough.
Lot 3: The valuable Lead Mines, known as the Morewood Sough, Cliffe Stile, Glebe Shaft, Brookhead and Little Brookhead, and Old Ladywash, situate in the Manor or Mineral Liberty aforesaid (subject to the Rights of Drainage to be reserved in favour of the proprietors of Lots 1 and 2.
And also the Drawing Engine and Gear, Engine House, Powder Magazine, Dressing and other fixed Machinery on the said Mines. And also all that Piece of Land, containing 417 yards or thereabouts, forming part of the surface workings at the Glebe Mine, in Eyam aforesaid, together with a right of road reserved over Lot 10. The Glebe Mine, for a long period, and until quite recently, yielded a substantial quantity of Ore, and the extensive possessions of this lot offer an unusual opportunity to investors for making further trial in this productive district, for which only a small expenditure of capital would be required.
Lot 4: The valuable and extensive Lead Mines and Mineral Possessions known as the New Ladywash, Shaw Engine, New Engines, Magclough, Stoke Engines, and the rights of the Vendor in Stoke Sough, situate in the Manor or Mineral Liberty of Stoney Middleton and Eyam aforesaid, and in the Manor of Stoke, in the County of Derby.
And also all those the Powerful Pumping Engine, Two Drawing Engines, Horizontal Engine, Two Boilers, Blake's Stone Crusher, Steam Hotchers, and all other Valuable Fixed Machinery and Plant, together with the Engine House and other Outbuildings connected with the said Mines. The Magclough Level extends from the Magclough Plantation to New Engines, and the Stoke Sough extends from the River Derwent, near Stoke Hall, to the westerly part of the Ladywash possessions. The Shafts are of the most substantial character.
Lot 5: The Fielding Gate Mine, situate at the head of Middleton Dale, near Lowney, in the said Manor or Mineral Liberty.
Lot 6: The Shining Cliffe Mine, near to the Ball Inn, Middleton Dale, in the said Manor or Mineral Liberty.
Lot 7: A Moiety or equal Half Part of the "Burrs" Mine, situate near the Footroad between Eyam and Foolow, in the said manor or Mineral Liberty.
Lot 8: Thirteen-and-a-half Twenty-Fourth Parts or Shares in the Watergrove United Mines, near Foolow and Middleton Dale, together with such rights as the Vendors posses in the substantial Chimney, Shaft, and Mining Buildings, situate at Watergrove, near Foolow, all which premises are in the said Manor or Mineral Liberty.
Lot 9: Three Closes of Valuable Accommodation Grass Land, situate in Eyam aforesaid, known as Side Cop Pingles, containing 2a. 3r. 7p., abutting on the north in part on the Turnpike Road leading from Eyam to Foolow, and now occupied by the Misses Maltby.
Lot 10: The Plot of Freehold Land, near to the Glebe Mines, in Eyam aforesaid, containing 570 square yards, or thereabouts, with the Offices (formerly a Dwelling House) and other Outbuildings, at present occupied by the Company, (subject and reserving to the owners of the Glebe Mine for the time being a right of road over the westerly portion of the said plot of land).
The whole of the Premises above described will first be offered in One Lot, and if not sold then in the several Lots before mentioned, or as may be determined by the Vendors at the Sale.
For further particulars apply at the Eyam Mining Company's Offices at Eyam, or at 23, Church Street, Sheffield; to the Auctioneers, 19, George street, Sheffield; or to
Messrs. Bagshawe and Hall, Solicitors, 63, Norfolk Street, Sheffield
Mrs Trellis
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Re: Doom
« Reply #69 on: July 15, 2012, 09:30:46 pm »
Do you still have a two week window for exploration (like last year), or have you managed to secure futher access given the magnitude of the find? Hopefully the latter!

No thats it for now Pipster, we might get the odd trip now and again but the winch was taken off the shaft today, negotiations continue.

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Re: Doom
« Reply #70 on: July 15, 2012, 10:15:33 pm »
Guys that's bad news. I'm guessing all hands will now go to trying to locate a new entrance?
I sincerely hope one can be found, I'd love to take a look. Especially at the old mine workings!

Good luck on it's future  :thumbsup:

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Re: Doom
« Reply #71 on: July 16, 2012, 09:45:11 am »
No thats it for now Pipster, we might get the odd trip now and again but the winch was taken off the shaft today, negotiations continue.

Aww, that's a shame. :(  Hope you've managed to identify some good leads for another way in, and managed to complete all the work you'd hoped to do.

Did you find much more since you announced it?

It'll have to be armchair caving for the rest of us!
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