Anyone know who these four might be??
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aricooperdavis
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Where was this in the system?
I'd be very saddened if this was done by members of a caving club (uni or otherwise)!
I'd be very saddened if this was done by members of a caving club (uni or otherwise)!
cavemanmike
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could some clever "bca" nerd not narrow down connor(unusual name) and jamie m .
then contact the appropriate club to see who has visited gg. hopefully someone has already thought of this and is busy sluthing away
then contact the appropriate club to see who has visited gg. hopefully someone has already thought of this and is busy sluthing away
aricooperdavis
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I do find things like this interesting. There's a fascinating book by the journalist Jon Ronson called "so you've been publicly shamed" which looks at how the internet is used to administer "justice".
Perhaps clubs should have a system set-up in advance to deal with this kind of (very minor) vandalism so that we don't accidentally fuel any witch hunts. Having one individual speak with those involved would probably be the most effective way at preventing this sort of thing in a fair way.
It makes me think of the chamber in Eglwys where, along with the newer stuff, you can find >300 year old graffiti. It's absolutely amazing to think of cavers scratching their names into the rock all that time ago, and I think that there is some value to that old social history. The issue here is where and how it's been done, whilst the behaviour in the chamber in Eglwys seems to have been allowed by some consensus.
Perhaps clubs should have a system set-up in advance to deal with this kind of (very minor) vandalism so that we don't accidentally fuel any witch hunts. Having one individual speak with those involved would probably be the most effective way at preventing this sort of thing in a fair way.
It makes me think of the chamber in Eglwys where, along with the newer stuff, you can find >300 year old graffiti. It's absolutely amazing to think of cavers scratching their names into the rock all that time ago, and I think that there is some value to that old social history. The issue here is where and how it's been done, whilst the behaviour in the chamber in Eglwys seems to have been allowed by some consensus.
RichardB1983
Member
I think I've found who it is: a quick Facebook search has revealed photos of the presumed culprits standing in front of their handiwork and there is a Connor, Ricki and Jamie in their friends list.
Certainly doesn't look like they're club cavers: no helmets / oversuits etc.
Certainly doesn't look like they're club cavers: no helmets / oversuits etc.
Ian Adams
Well-known member
Could I propose that a new position on UKc be created, to be known as "Investigator" ....
Could I also propose that RichardB be appointed to the said position?
The duties would include looking into vandalism and identifying culprits.
He seems to be rather good at it.
Ian
Could I also propose that RichardB be appointed to the said position?
The duties would include looking into vandalism and identifying culprits.
He seems to be rather good at it.
Ian
langcliffe
Well-known member
Hopefully, Natural England will get involved, for it is they who are responsible for SSSI protection enforcement.
RichardB1983
Member
alanw said:
That's how I found it: a Facebook search for public photos of "Gaping Gill" had this lad's photo on the first page: look about 10 seconds to find.
andrewmcleod
Well-known member
Pete K said:
I have taken some screenshots. Let's not burn them at the stake though... leaves a terrible mess.
Robert Scott
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I agree with Mr Gardner. This is something for Natural England and the estate managers to deal with. Perhaps to the maximum extent of the law as an example to discourage others.
Wayland Smith
Active member
Heads on pikes next to the path walking up tends to warn others. 
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Simon Wilson
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I don't like the tone of a lot of this. I don't know enough about this incident yet to make any sort of judgement.
Can you all say that you have never scratched on a cave wall? I know I have and it is documented in caving literature where and why I did it.
If we find out who they are I think it just might be best dealt with by giving them a friendly invitation to go caving with a club.
Can you all say that you have never scratched on a cave wall? I know I have and it is documented in caving literature where and why I did it.
If we find out who they are I think it just might be best dealt with by giving them a friendly invitation to go caving with a club.
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