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Re: Anyone know who these four might be??
« Reply #75 on: January 17, 2017, 04:45:17 pm »
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Re: Anyone know who these four might be??
« Reply #76 on: January 17, 2017, 05:05:39 pm »
I have been asked to post this by one of the members of the group on the trip.

As I said earlier, and others have guessed, decent lads who are just having a go to the best of their knowledge and ability. 

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I'm not too sure where to start with this one as it's been a little overwhelming reading all the comments both on facebook and on the forum. I tried to make an account on the forum but there seems to be some kind of validation system so I've chosen you as you seem pretty human and understanding. I suppose it would make sense to give my viewpoint and then maybe people will realise where I'm coming from.

Me and my brother's have always been the outdoorsy type people, always willing to go out and try stuff out. About a year ago we went up to Malham cove in the morning to watch the sunrise. Up there we saw a slackline across the cove and we thought," that looks ace", so we went out and we bought ourselves a slackline and learning the skills from the internet, as most people do these days.

Around a month ago, the same thing sort of happened. We went out for a walk to Gaping Gill and was blown away by it. We ended up looking around crevices as you do, just exploring the area. We came across a hole,(to which we now know is called Bar Pot) and saw the anchors in the wall. Instinct was to look down, we realised we would need some sort of rigging equipment to get down there.

Thats's where youtube comes in, I know it's probably frowned upon using youtube to learn things but we were curious on how we would be able to decend and ascend the hole. Had a lovely time at GoOutdoors getting "all the gear" (still no idea).

We came back after practicing what we had learnt and descended down the first drop and carefully made our way downwards until we found the larger 30M drop. Gutted yet amazed we headed home and left it for yet another day.

After another trip to go outdoors we arrived again, this time with more rigging equipment, It's probably not the best of ideas returning over and over after realising we are still yet unequipped but this all added to the excitement when we did return with enough equipment for the decent. We lowered ourselves down one by one and then began to head to Gill. We crawled through various tunnels until we heard the roar of Gill and finally got there and felt a real sense of achievement, We looked around and found loads of stals. I was saddened to see that some had been snapped off, maybe by accident or on purpose but nether the less it was a shame.

On our way back we noticed the amount of engravings saying which way was back. We then reached part of the passage where we could stand for a while and take a breather. As we were doing so we noticed that other people had engraved their names around this area of the passage and so there assumed that it must be where people engrave their initials. We also took part in this. I made sure that I did it out of the way others engravings as I didn't want to ruin an old marking. I'm not one to post everything on social media as I think it stops it from being special. We carried on our journey and returned home.

This morning my friend sent me the link to the UKcaving forum showing what we had done. I've been reading the updates on this throughout the day and taken into consideration every comment. Some are quite humbling, especially the opportunity to go with and gather some caving experience - despite doing what has upset a large amount of people from the caving community. I know the most sincere apology wouldn't change the circumstances because what's done is done. I can also tell that there's a lot of understanding people out there too who don't know where the line is drawn. We didn't even know there was a line, we didn't know what the SSSI is, who Natural England are, that you needed a permit to go caving. We literally just saw a hole and decided we wanted to go down it.

Hope this is readable as I'm tired yet unable to sleep trying to get this of my chest.

Thank you!


Takes me back to my first explorations of caves with two mates. If you're still following this thread lads always welcome to find new caves in Nidderdale with a bunch of us there...keep that spirit of adventure and lesson learnt eh...'leave nothing but footprints and take nothing but photographs'

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Re: Anyone know who these four might be??
« Reply #77 on: January 17, 2017, 05:12:27 pm »
on the 4th page already  :bow:praise itself

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Re: Anyone know who these four might be??
« Reply #78 on: January 17, 2017, 05:14:31 pm »


You're showing signs of Lunacy...
Same hole, different time of year.
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I have the certificates , let alone the signs!

In seriousness though. a club isn't always the way to do things. some do prefer to establish a 'looser' group of competant safe and trusted individuals to join in activities with, It depends on so many variables and attitudes.
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Re: Anyone know who these four might be??
« Reply #79 on: January 17, 2017, 06:07:22 pm »
In seriousness though. a club isn't always the way to do things. some do prefer to establish a 'looser' group of competant safe and trusted individuals to join in activities with, It depends on so many variables and attitudes.

This.

Residing in North Wales, I saw the politics and was very anti-club for a long time. I still learned how to explore safely, treat the environment, artefacts, formations etc. Clubs have a place, certainly, but they are not right for everyone.
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Re: Anyone know who these four might be??
« Reply #80 on: January 17, 2017, 06:27:58 pm »
It would be quite a challenge to gate Gaping Gill main shaft. And how on earth would you open it?

In the same way the CNCC secret headquarter (bolting division) gate opens, obviously...

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Re: Anyone know who these four might be??
« Reply #81 on: January 17, 2017, 06:33:26 pm »
no politics in our club  :hug: :hug: well not much

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Re: Anyone know who these four might be??
« Reply #82 on: January 17, 2017, 06:41:57 pm »
no politics in our club  :hug: :hug: well not much

I was in your club for exactly that reason ;-)
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Re: Anyone know who these four might be??
« Reply #83 on: January 17, 2017, 07:00:03 pm »
........................... a necklace of padlocks...................


I am still pondering on this one. It would not actually take much making up, could be old worn out padlocks, but, the heavier the better.

Then we would have to decide who would be made to wear it, a sort of 'community punishment' type fit the crime type thingy

 :lol:

Before any one starts, its only a joke.
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Re: Anyone know who these four might be??
« Reply #84 on: January 17, 2017, 11:56:48 pm »
........................... a necklace of padlocks...................


I am still pondering on this one. It would not actually take much making up, could be old worn out padlocks, but, the heavier the better.

Then we would have to decide who would be made to wear it, a sort of 'community punishment' type fit the crime type thingy

 :lol:

Before any one starts, its only a joke.

Are we still 'with' the BDSM  theme Roy.?
A bat roaster in the face would work, :thumbsup:


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 further than that;
 I, and both my sons did , with aforethought make sure  we could tie, and use (both up and down) prussic knots, of various sorts. suspended from a tree near Cromford canal.
 just in case , you understand. Before I responsibly took them underground. :shrug:
 Knob eh?
But they could both self rescue if sh*t happened!!
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Re: Anyone know who these four might be??
« Reply #85 on: January 18, 2017, 05:38:19 pm »
I have been asked to post this by one of the members of the group on the trip.

As I said earlier, and others have guessed, decent lads who are just having a go to the best of their knowledge and ability. 

Quote

I'm not too sure where to start with this one as it's been a little overwhelming reading all the comments both on facebook and on the forum. I tried to make an account on the forum but there seems to be some kind of validation system so I've chosen you as you seem pretty human and understanding. I suppose it would make sense to give my viewpoint and then maybe people will realise where I'm coming from.

Me and my brother's have always been the outdoorsy type people, always willing to go out and try stuff out. About a year ago we went up to Malham cove in the morning to watch the sunrise. Up there we saw a slackline across the cove and we thought," that looks ace", so we went out and we bought ourselves a slackline and learning the skills from the internet, as most people do these days.

Around a month ago, the same thing sort of happened. We went out for a walk to Gaping Gill and was blown away by it. We ended up looking around crevices as you do, just exploring the area. We came across a hole,(to which we now know is called Bar Pot) and saw the anchors in the wall. Instinct was to look down, we realised we would need some sort of rigging equipment to get down there.

Thats's where youtube comes in, I know it's probably frowned upon using youtube to learn things but we were curious on how we would be able to decend and ascend the hole. Had a lovely time at GoOutdoors getting "all the gear" (still no idea).

We came back after practicing what we had learnt and descended down the first drop and carefully made our way downwards until we found the larger 30M drop. Gutted yet amazed we headed home and left it for yet another day.

After another trip to go outdoors we arrived again, this time with more rigging equipment, It's probably not the best of ideas returning over and over after realising we are still yet unequipped but this all added to the excitement when we did return with enough equipment for the decent. We lowered ourselves down one by one and then began to head to Gill. We crawled through various tunnels until we heard the roar of Gill and finally got there and felt a real sense of achievement, We looked around and found loads of stals. I was saddened to see that some had been snapped off, maybe by accident or on purpose but nether the less it was a shame.

On our way back we noticed the amount of engravings saying which way was back. We then reached part of the passage where we could stand for a while and take a breather. As we were doing so we noticed that other people had engraved their names around this area of the passage and so there assumed that it must be where people engrave their initials. We also took part in this. I made sure that I did it out of the way others engravings as I didn't want to ruin an old marking. I'm not one to post everything on social media as I think it stops it from being special. We carried on our journey and returned home.

This morning my friend sent me the link to the UKcaving forum showing what we had done. I've been reading the updates on this throughout the day and taken into consideration every comment. Some are quite humbling, especially the opportunity to go with and gather some caving experience - despite doing what has upset a large amount of people from the caving community. I know the most sincere apology wouldn't change the circumstances because what's done is done. I can also tell that there's a lot of understanding people out there too who don't know where the line is drawn. We didn't even know there was a line, we didn't know what the SSSI is, who Natural England are, that you needed a permit to go caving. We literally just saw a hole and decided we wanted to go down it.

Hope this is readable as I'm tired yet unable to sleep trying to get this of my chest.

Thank you!

I'd be happy to do some surface SRT training with the lads at the YSS if they like? I was shocked to see the graffiti first hand in GG systems on Saturday 14th Jan and I was on the trip with the person who took the pictures of it. It's a shame it was done but these lads sound like they were a little uneducated. Hey, we've all had to start somewhere.
I think I've found who it is: a quick Facebook search has revealed photos of the presumed culprits standing in front of their handiwork and there is a Connor, Ricki and Jamie in their friends list.

Certainly doesn't look like they're club cavers: no helmets / oversuits etc.


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Re: Anyone know who these four might be??
« Reply #86 on: January 18, 2017, 05:50:56 pm »
Interesting mail. These are the sort of people we want in the caving community. I was outraged initially but reading the 'culprits' post I am impressed at the speed of their learning and also their caution. It takes me back to my early days of caving and, of course, there were even earlier days when there no guide books. We would enter a system then turn back when we felt we were uncertain, gradually building up our confidence until we felt able to tackle something harder.  Context is everything regarding the graffiti and the account of finding an area full of graffiti from different eras might well encourage explorers to think this was the done thing (rather like sticking stones on cairns).  In Pollnagollum in County Clare one feature of the cave is a similar area with graffiti dating back to the early days of caving.  I have a nice photo of some graffiti by a very well known University club dating back 60 years in another Irish cave.