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First aid
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darkplaces
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On trips with my mate joker001 he normally stuffs a first aid pouch in his waterproof Barrel. I prefer to carry some duct tape. If I am taking a group somewhere were I am leading/navigating I carry a first aide pouch. I think as long as the group has first aid thats ok.
I think I saw in HnK in Bamford a waterproof first aid pouch? Neat idea!
I think I saw in HnK in Bamford a waterproof first aid pouch? Neat idea!
cap n chris
Well-known member
IIRC there's a long thread on this topic somewhere in the archives of the now-famous UKCaving mass debating cavers forum. :wink:
cap n chris
Well-known member
Presently I am on my sixth first aid kit* but never had to use any of them**, thankfully.
* No matter what you carry them in, they don't last very long. (Even my small pelicase finally died from caving).
** Apart from the sterile water plastic tubes for clearing grit from eyes. (They are brilliant and every caver should have them).
* No matter what you carry them in, they don't last very long. (Even my small pelicase finally died from caving).
** Apart from the sterile water plastic tubes for clearing grit from eyes. (They are brilliant and every caver should have them).
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Dave H
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I always carry a small first aid kit in a small kit bag (just slightly larger than rigging bag size) with enough rigging gear and rope to get someone up a 7m pitch (including enough tape to improvise a sit harness)
The first aid kit contains: tampons for absorbsion, duck tape for adhesion, and a triangular bandage and crepe bandage because there was space in the pot I use for it! It also contains 4 AA batteries and usually my car keys.
I used the duck tape to cover a cut once (not too bad and clean), but the lad had so many complaints afterwards, regarding the pain whilst trying to remove the tape, that it would have to be a fairly bad cut (probably requiring a tampon) before I'd bother again.
The first aid kit contains: tampons for absorbsion, duck tape for adhesion, and a triangular bandage and crepe bandage because there was space in the pot I use for it! It also contains 4 AA batteries and usually my car keys.
I used the duck tape to cover a cut once (not too bad and clean), but the lad had so many complaints afterwards, regarding the pain whilst trying to remove the tape, that it would have to be a fairly bad cut (probably requiring a tampon) before I'd bother again.
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wormster
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the best first aid kit is in your head all you have to remember is:
(Say it together children)
A ir (is he breathing)
B leeding (tampons/ducktape, bandaids whatever floats yor boat)
C oncoiusness (Can you hear me Cap 'n Chris??)
yes I do carry a first aid kit either in my caving bag (dry caves) or my ammo box (Wet caves) and i'm also first aid trained.
(Say it together children)
A ir (is he breathing)
B leeding (tampons/ducktape, bandaids whatever floats yor boat)
C oncoiusness (Can you hear me Cap 'n Chris??)
yes I do carry a first aid kit either in my caving bag (dry caves) or my ammo box (Wet caves) and i'm also first aid trained.
rich
New member
Dave H said:
My survival/handy pack contains gaffa tape and a small sterile pad. The two combined would make a decent dressing I think and tape is inevitably useful for other stuff.
I think it's probably a bad idea to apply tape directly to an injury unless it's an emergency. Even then I think it would probably be just as useful wrapped sticky side out, which would make it a bit easier to remove.
There is a bit of a lack of cave-specific first aid info around. Would it be a good idea to start a caving first aid wiki?
cap n chris
Well-known member
duct/gaffa tape doesn't work when damp or on damp skin; it's fantastic at home but is not fit for use in caves IMHO. Try it and report back...
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epik
Guest
rarely (make that never) take first aid kit but used to when taking kids underground, it included;
small knife,
roll of thin band aid wadding - covered in insulation tape to keep dry,
insulation tape to wrap round wadding on wound - plasters come off,
few wipes - just to get worst off cut if needed before covering it up,
matches - in a film case to keep dry - dont forget to have the stricker in there too,
clear survival bag - cut hole in end place over patient to keep warm,
candle - to put under survival bag - this really does warm people up well,
whistle,
mars bar,
thin ballaclava - more to do with kids getting cold than first aid,
length of sling - not totally neccessary,
glow stick - again not always useful but doesnt weigh much.
all fits easily into a small bdh and is ample suplies to either get a minor injury out or leave a serious one down in comfort while cave rescue arrive. never really needed it but have used the survival bag trick on a kid who got too cold once.
small knife,
roll of thin band aid wadding - covered in insulation tape to keep dry,
insulation tape to wrap round wadding on wound - plasters come off,
few wipes - just to get worst off cut if needed before covering it up,
matches - in a film case to keep dry - dont forget to have the stricker in there too,
clear survival bag - cut hole in end place over patient to keep warm,
candle - to put under survival bag - this really does warm people up well,
whistle,
mars bar,
thin ballaclava - more to do with kids getting cold than first aid,
length of sling - not totally neccessary,
glow stick - again not always useful but doesnt weigh much.
all fits easily into a small bdh and is ample suplies to either get a minor injury out or leave a serious one down in comfort while cave rescue arrive. never really needed it but have used the survival bag trick on a kid who got too cold once.
Stu
Active member
rich said:cap 'n chris said:
Has worked for me lots of times. Maybe you don't use enough
If you use half a roll maybe! Unless the area is dry it's not very good at all. Even then getting it wet seriously does it in. This from bitter experience years ago whilst paddling in France and various other times I've tried fixes..