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Re: [split] Rescue in Thailand - trolling posts
« Reply #25 on: July 03, 2018, 03:20:58 pm »
Nobody is attacking you personally, just the theory you are suggesting There is a separation between a person and their ideas; none of this is abuse. My mates take the piss out of some of the things I believe in.
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Re: [split] Rescue in Thailand - trolling posts
« Reply #26 on: July 03, 2018, 03:23:20 pm »
If this is post is genuine, it seems in very poor taste as the children are still underground and in no way safe.

If this is a wind up, as above but in ever worse taste.

Pegasus. Is this an existing poster taking the piss or a genuine new poster?

Either way. Please remove.

(Or store, and reopen IF there is a successfull outcome!)

and what will a succesful outcome look like? the kids emerging, what I am saying is this event is almost certainly faked , howver I dont know how they scripted it so dont know what is being planned , fact that you gang up on me says it all , i am not obliged to believe BS just because it makes you feel virtuos

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Re: [split] Rescue in Thailand - trolling posts
« Reply #27 on: July 03, 2018, 03:26:32 pm »
Nobody is attacking you personally, just the theory you are suggesting There is a separation between a person and their ideas; none of this is abuse. My mates take the piss out of some of the things I believe in.

you are assuming the state is incapable of organising such events , that is simply not true , study history please , Northwoods, Mockingbird, Gladio , Paperclip , this type of event is designed to be a feel good event , the government wil take the credit for pulling out all teh stops to save the children . at the very least concede that it is POSSIBLE that the government can stage events or are you saying the Reichstag fire was really started by a dutch communist with learning difficulties?

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Re: [split] Rescue in Thailand - trolling posts
« Reply #28 on: July 03, 2018, 03:28:51 pm »
If this is post is genuine, it seems in very poor taste as the children are still underground and in no way safe.

If this is a wind up, as above but in ever worse taste.

Pegasus. Is this an existing poster taking the piss or a genuine new poster?

Either way. Please remove.

(Or store, and reopen IF there is a successfull outcome!)

i am not a troll, i am a new user who was hoping to get some mature feedback from cave diving experts , instead i have received abuse and BS about Elvis and Lizards . deal with these issues in a sensible fashion and there is nothing disrepctful in suggesting that the news gets faked or do you still insist that  Saddam had WMD?

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Re: [split] Rescue in Thailand - trolling posts
« Reply #29 on: July 03, 2018, 03:34:20 pm »
i am not a troll,

How can you tell the difference between a real troll who denies that they are (they always will) and someone falsely accused of being a troll, who will also deny that they are.


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Re: [split] Rescue in Thailand - trolling posts
« Reply #30 on: July 03, 2018, 03:36:05 pm »
Must say slightly puzzled that the lads got that far into the cave in bare feet and wearing
local dress which is like a dress.Just saying ,not agreeing with our journalist friend for one moment .

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Re: [split] Rescue in Thailand - trolling posts
« Reply #31 on: July 03, 2018, 03:44:24 pm »
It's a conspiracy, he's answering other people's questions before mine. woe is me. feel sorry for me. i'll keep posting every 3 minutes till someone mentions Hitler!

Oh! wait, someone already mentioned the Holocaust!

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Re: [split] Rescue in Thailand - trolling posts
« Reply #32 on: July 03, 2018, 04:45:49 pm »
Must say slightly puzzled that the lads got that far into the cave in bare feet and wearing
local dress which is like a dress.Just saying ,not agreeing with our journalist friend for one moment .

apparently they left their bicycles at the entrance to the cave complex , not a sensible thing to do , what about their football kit and other items was that just left at cave entrance too? and surely fee tand knees  would be cut while crawling through narrow tunnels , this is why cavers wear protective equipment , another issue is that the media describe tunnels as narrow but at least one of the 'rescuers' is overweight , surely caving ( ye i know its called spelunking) a big advantage is to be slim . as i say I am not seeking conflict and would appreciate a lack of wise guy answers . ( ridicule is often used to shut down debate )

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Re: [split] Rescue in Thailand - trolling posts
« Reply #33 on: July 03, 2018, 04:51:05 pm »


apparently they left their bicycles at the entrance to the cave complex , not a sensible thing to do , what about their football kit and other items was that just left at cave entrance too? and surely fee tand knees  would be cut while crawling through narrow tunnels , this is why cavers wear protective equipment , another issue is that the media describe tunnels as narrow but at least one of the 'rescuers' is overweight , surely caving ( ye i know its called spelunking) a big advantage is to be slim . as i say I am not seeking conflict and would appreciate a lack of wise guy answers . ( ridicule is often used to shut down debate )
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What's more believable: People went into a cave wearing football kit and sandals, or the thai government wants a feel-good story so arranged for hundreds or thousands of people, including random blokes from the UK, to be in on the act?

By the way, when the media describes a passage as tight this can mean a lot of things, sometimes a 'tight' passage can be 3 feet wide and not tight at all. And lots of cavers are not slim :p I have done wet UK caves in shorts and sandals but as far as I know there was no international conspiracy behind it!
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Re: [split] Rescue in Thailand - trolling posts
« Reply #34 on: July 03, 2018, 04:59:25 pm »
i am not a troll,

How can you tell the difference between a real troll who denies that they are (they always will) and someone falsely accused of being a troll, who will also deny that they are.
i am making sensible points , i am not being abusive , why is questioning things regarded as trolling anyway ?

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Re: [split] Rescue in Thailand - trolling posts
« Reply #35 on: July 03, 2018, 05:16:21 pm »
Maybe the latest Media Briefing from the British Cave Rescue Council at http://cro.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2018/07/BCRCMediaBriefingReport3_Thaicaverescueincident_020718.pdf will give you more information. And this is NOT a fake.
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Re: [split] Rescue in Thailand - trolling posts
« Reply #36 on: July 03, 2018, 05:16:34 pm »
back again for some more? why wont you go away!

I've used 1-6 already, so i'll have to use a new system.

i) they left their bicycles at the entrance to the cave complex , not a sensible thing to do
ii) what about their football kit and other items was that just left at cave entrance too?
iii) fee tand knees  would be cut while crawling through narrow tunnels , this is why cavers wear protective equipment
iv) the media describe tunnels as narrow
v) at least one of the 'rescuers' is overweight

i- Bicycles are better left at the entrance, it would be pretty hard to carry a bicycle through a cave, and largely pointless.
ii- Football kit and other items, what happens if they get stolen. I assume they don't want to buy two sets of kit, so look after it and hide it (or take it) further into the cave.
iii- if you're carefully caving then it could be fine, also the cave floor could be made entirely of sediment or a sandy looking floor and therefore it just like walking on a beach. I know about as much as you. But I do know that we've got some sandy areas here in Derbyshire like in Treasury sump. Has anyone made a sandcastle yet in there?
iv- The media always describes caves as narrow or tight, this could mean that the cave divers cannot use scooters round the corner (like James Bond) and therefore it's seen as a constriction. I know as much as you do.
v- You're belittling people you know nothing about. You wouldn't walk up to someone on the highway and say they're fat, otherwise it would take you all day to get anywhere. I guess that's only if you had sidewalks, I think some places in the US are devoid of sidewalks. Correct me if I'm wrong.
 The people you're talking to and about know more than you would care to imagine. Shall we find a hole for you to go into and find out?


Ps. rules of the internet dictate that when Hitler is mentioned the topic is closed. Know your memes and laws troll.
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You "liked" my reasoned response containing a reference to the Holocaust. So therefore you have resigned to loosing this debate.

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Re: [split] Rescue in Thailand - trolling posts
« Reply #37 on: July 03, 2018, 05:19:30 pm »


apparently they left their bicycles at the entrance to the cave complex , not a sensible thing to do , what about their football kit and other items was that just left at cave entrance too? and surely fee tand knees  would be cut while crawling through narrow tunnels , this is why cavers wear protective equipment , another issue is that the media describe tunnels as narrow but at least one of the 'rescuers' is overweight , surely caving ( ye i know its called spelunking) a big advantage is to be slim . as i say I am not seeking conflict and would appreciate a lack of wise guy answers . ( ridicule is often used to shut down debate )


What's more believable: People went into a cave wearing football kit and sandals, or the thai government wants a feel-good story so arranged for hundreds or thousands of people, including random blokes from the UK, to be in on the act?

By the way, when the media describes a passage as tight this can mean a lot of things, sometimes a 'tight' passage can be 3 feet wide and not tight at all. And lots of cavers are not slim :p I have done wet UK caves in shorts and sandals but as far as I know there was no international conspiracy behind it!
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its not what is or is not 'believable ' it is what is or is not true , and yes it is possible that the government could arrange things, those of you who are Maons for example are sworn to secrecy . i daresay you though the Gulf of Tonin incident really took place , years after the event the US government admitted it was staged as a pretext to get the US to invadeVietnam . but dont take my word for it, look it up yourself

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Re: [split] Rescue in Thailand - trolling posts
« Reply #38 on: July 03, 2018, 05:22:16 pm »
But I do know that we've got some sandy areas here in Derbyshire like in Treasury sump. Has anyone made a sandcastle yet in there?

Now you have said that I really want to take a bucket, spade, cricket set, one of thoes windbreak things that your dad was always determined to make work even though it just kept blowing away and a dingey down there.

It would make a really good photo for the competition.

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« Reply #39 on: July 03, 2018, 05:27:34 pm »
back again for some more? why wont you go away!

I've used 1-6 already, so i'll have to use a new system.

i) they left their bicycles at the entrance to the cave complex , not a sensible thing to do
ii) what about their football kit and other items was that just left at cave entrance too?
iii) fee tand knees  would be cut while crawling through narrow tunnels , this is why cavers wear protective equipment
iv) the media describe tunnels as narrow
v) at least one of the 'rescuers' is overweight

if you dont want to participate then stay away , others may be prepared to honestly discuss this issue even if you resort to stupid abuse and memes

i- Bicycles are better left at the entrance, it would be pretty hard to carry a bicycle through a cave, and largely pointless.
ii- Football kit and other items, what happens if they get stolen. I assume they don't want to buy two sets of kit, so look after it and hide it (or take it) further into the cave.
iii- if you're carefully caving then it could be fine, also the cave floor could be made entirely of sediment or a sandy looking floor and therefore it just like walking on a beach. I know about as much as you. But I do know that we've got some sandy areas here in Derbyshire like in Treasury sump. Has anyone made a sandcastle yet in there?
iv- The media always describes caves as narrow or tight, this could mean that the cave divers cannot use scooters round the corner (like James Bond) and therefore it's seen as a constriction. I know as much as you do.
v- You're belittling people you know nothing about. You wouldn't walk up to someone on the highway and say they're fat, otherwise it would take you all day to get anywhere. I guess that's only if you had sidewalks, I think some places in the US are devoid of sidewalks. Correct me if I'm wrong.
 The people you're talking to and about know more than you would care to imagine. Shall we find a hole for you to go into and find out?


Ps. rules of the internet dictate that when Hitler is mentioned the topic is closed. Know your memes and laws troll.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin%27s_law
You "liked" my reasoned response containing a reference to the Holocaust. So therefore you have resigned to loosing this debate.

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Re: [split] Rescue in Thailand - trolling posts
« Reply #40 on: July 03, 2018, 05:32:50 pm »
It's a conspiracy, he's answering other people's questions before mine. woe is me. feel sorry for me. i'll keep posting every 3 minutes till someone mentions Hitler!

Oh! wait, someone already mentioned the Holocaust!

in fact it was you who mentioned it. you seem remarkably keen to stop people discussing this issue . why are you so desperateto close down debate , most of are adults and can handle a variety of opinions , why cant you?

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« Reply #41 on: July 03, 2018, 05:35:17 pm »

  i didnt come here looking for abuse...
Where do you normally go?
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Re: [split] Rescue in Thailand - trolling posts
« Reply #42 on: July 03, 2018, 05:39:53 pm »
Must say slightly puzzled that the lads got that far into the cave in bare feet and wearing
local dress which is like a dress.Just saying ,not agreeing with our journalist friend for one moment .

As I understand it the river that rises to flood the cave system is reasonably close to the entrance. I would imagine that, on returning to the entrance on their way out, they found it flooded/rising and were "chased" back further into the cave than they would have initially been intending?

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« Reply #43 on: July 03, 2018, 05:41:53 pm »

  i didnt come here looking for abuse...
Where do you normally go?

the sad thing is you think you are being funny

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« Reply #44 on: July 03, 2018, 05:47:06 pm »

i am making sensible points , i am not being abusive


No, you are not making sensible points, you are just spouting bollocks.

Quite a few people on here are close friends of the people who are out in Thailand risking their lives to try to save those kids. There are very real risks which remain for both the rescuers and the people who are trapped. I am sure I am not alone in finding your stupidity pretty offensive so don't be surprised when people react in kind.
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« Reply #45 on: July 03, 2018, 05:50:20 pm »
Yes, our journalist is complaining about being abused but is, maybe unknowingly, abusing all the rescuers who are out their risking their lives. What kind of journalism is this anyway?!
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« Reply #46 on: July 03, 2018, 05:50:55 pm »

i am making sensible points , i am not being abusive


Not, you are not making sensible points, you are just spouting bollocks.

Quite a few people on here are close friends of the people who are out in Thailand risking their lives to try to save those kids. There are very real risks which remain for both the rescuers and the people who are trapped. I am sure I am not alone in finding your stupidity pretty offensive so don't be surprised when people react in kind.

i have no idea who these people are and have no wqay of knowing how honest they are. and I am allowed to question events . I find people who use your tactics to close down debate offensive, its an attack on free speech , if you are not interested in this thread then no need comment on a thread I started . i also put up a poll that shows that two other people have at leasr SOME doubts about this story , as such I would ask you from refraining from abuse and to accept my right to my OWN analysis

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« Reply #47 on: July 03, 2018, 05:52:22 pm »
Yes, our journalist is complaining about being abused but is, maybe unknowingly, abusing all the rescuers who are out their risking their lives. What kind of journalism is this anyway?!

how can i be abusing anybody by pointing out that the story makes NO SENSE , or are we simply supposed to assume that every damn story involving ' heroes' is true . you are being immensely stupid

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« Reply #49 on: July 03, 2018, 05:57:20 pm »
how can i be abusing anybody

you are being immensely stupid

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you are attempting to censor my comments , if you dont like this thread start another , i started this thread in case others had doubts about this narrative , as you seem in no doubt that everything you are told is true fine but do not come here and attack me demanding censorship