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Offline nickwilliams

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Help required - safety of caving
« on: August 19, 2019, 09:53:36 am »
I need to (fairly urgently) generate some evidence of the health benefits and safety of caving as an activity.

ISTR there was an article in Descent a few years ago which addressed the comparative safety of caving with other activities. Can anyone provide a citation for this article?

Links/references to anything else published on this would be welcome.

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Offline martinr

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Re: Help required - safety of caving
« Reply #1 on: August 19, 2019, 10:20:43 am »

Offline nickwilliams

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Re: Help required - safety of caving
« Reply #2 on: August 19, 2019, 10:45:06 am »
Thank you, that is useful.

Something which specifically (and quantatively) compares the risk of caving with sports such as rugby or horse riding would be most useful.
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Re: Help required - safety of caving
« Reply #3 on: August 19, 2019, 11:13:08 am »
Have you seen this: https://startcaving.com/caving-guides/safety?
There are some stats and probabilities as well as a comparison table.

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Re: Help required - safety of caving
« Reply #4 on: August 19, 2019, 12:25:53 pm »
ISTR there was an article in Descent a few years ago which addressed the comparative safety of caving with other activities. Can anyone provide a citation for this article?

The title pages of the last 5 years worth of Descent give no clues to such an article.  The latest issue has an article on 25 years of rescue but it focuses on caving stats.

Offline Martin Laverty

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Re: Help required - safety of caving
« Reply #5 on: August 19, 2019, 01:05:47 pm »
A search in the BCRA's caving library e.g.
http://caving-library.org.uk/catalogue/BCL/code/php/library.php?action=search&lib=&type=any&search=any&search_string=risk
gives some food for thought

and reveals that Descent 153 (April 2000) is probably what you recall [Gauging the risk, pp.20-23, by Pete Mohr]

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Offline nickwilliams

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Re: Help required - safety of caving
« Reply #7 on: August 20, 2019, 12:49:46 pm »
Has anyone got a risk assessment for a caving expedition that they can let me have a copy of, please?
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Re: Help required - safety of caving
« Reply #8 on: August 20, 2019, 02:39:39 pm »
I would take a look at the office for National Statistics at https://www.ons.gov.uk/

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Re: Help required - safety of caving
« Reply #9 on: August 20, 2019, 02:47:30 pm »
Not expedition specific but the Oxford Union club has some paperwork

Oxford University Cave Club
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Re: Help required - safety of caving
« Reply #10 on: August 20, 2019, 08:31:38 pm »
Has anyone got a risk assessment for a caving expedition that they can let me have a copy of, please?

We used to do them for the Mulu trips I ran.  I've lost most of my planning docs for those trips but if you still have the stuff from the trip you came on with me it will be there in the bundle.  If not and you still need one I can put you in touch with the author.

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Re: Help required - safety of caving
« Reply #11 on: August 20, 2019, 09:00:44 pm »
Thanks for the input everyone, I have what I need for the moment.

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