I'm not old enough to remember, or connected enough to check.But I believe the insurance claim mentioned inhttps://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lamb_LeerResulted in a cliam against the for runner of the BCA type insurance.Happy to be corrected.
Why are individual members liable rather than the club as a body? Why isn't there a "club insurance" rather than each individual member? Presumably this only applies where the club (or members) are evidently negligent (as per lamb leer) and not in cases of accident?
Most clubs were originally set up that everyone effectively had "shares" in the group (share of benefits / liabilities) - some still are. If the club don't have a sensible policy for how their trips are run, then the committee could be seen to be liable. If they do have, & that guidance wasn't followed, then the senior members on trip may be...That's one reason there is now club insurance (& why Mark Wright shouldn't pull his club out of BCA):https://british-caving.org.uk/wiki3/lib/exe/fetch.php?media=legal_insurance:bca_club_insurance_-_why_bother.pdf
Although it sounds like a lot of money, it is less than £10 per person per year & the huts / clubs / landowners will still want to be covered, even if the majority aren't underground.
Speak for yourself. I still use an Italian hitch and, in fact, it's also one of the permitted ways to belay when "bell-ringing" kids' groups at a wall I work at.
Depending on the rope & weight of a child, the Italian hitch is less likely to slip than a standard belay device (& if the child is really light, it'll be safer than letting go on a Grigri)
Quote from: mikem on April 08, 2020, 01:06:47 pmDepending on the rope & weight of a child, the Italian hitch is less likely to slip than a standard belay device (& if the child is really light, it'll be safer than letting go on a Grigri)It's not me you need to try and justify your selection of equipment and technique to, its the judge.Mark
For one, we don't wrap an old washing line around our waists and call it a safe system of work and we don't use Thompson Knots to make our own harnesses or put ourselves into situations where a fall could take place onto a waist belt made from an old length of seat belt or use Italian Hitches as belay devices! Or do some still do that sort of thing?
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