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Re: One really important question remains unanswered
« Reply #125 on: November 18, 2020, 12:21:14 am »
So none of you have yet heard of Making Tax Digital?

I have, but managed to avoid it. At one point it looked like I'd have to build a whole set of APIs for it for the open-source accounting software we use (which does a lot more as well, including stock control, the website, marketing stuff, staff timesheet - because massive monolithic systems are great, right? ;) ). Fortunately it turned out there was some simple third-party software solution to push the output through. It probably involves spreadsheets or something equally horrific.

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Re: One really important question remains unanswered
« Reply #126 on: November 18, 2020, 10:31:17 am »
Meanwhile it appears that the National Audit Office finds that the Tories have been awarding PPE contracts to their chums.

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Re: One really important question remains unanswered
« Reply #127 on: November 18, 2020, 10:36:45 am »
Well, there's a surprise.

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Re: One really important question remains unanswered
« Reply #128 on: November 18, 2020, 11:12:26 am »
That lugubrious creepy robot Alok Sharma was doing the breakfast TV rounds this morning doing his best to explain why it was really alright to give your mates the contracts, but sadly as he has the charisma and social appeal of an uncomfortable cushion, and the mendacity and overall intellectual sliminess of...well, Michael Gove, I was unable to stay on-message. Switching channels was no help, as he was on that one too. Oh, and that one too. Jeez! F*ck off! Kay Burley on Sky definitely doesn't like him, and I generally trust her judgement on character (especially after her speed-marathon doing the night-shift from Washington for the US elections - what a woman) - she just gave him the stony-face throughout like he'd pissed on her bathroom floor.

The trouble is, even when you want them to justify their corruption and confess their obvious and total guilt, they're such unbearable people that it's impossible to listen to them for more than two minutes - I think that's their plan. Most of my suggestions as to proper solutions to this 'problem' from now on will probably be judged controversial, if not illegal, so they'll have to remain unwritten on a public forum.
But I can state that some of them will involve voodoo, at least  :halo:

Some more from Marina: https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/nov/17/boris-johnson-saboteur-prime-minister-scottish-devolution

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Re: One really important question remains unanswered
« Reply #129 on: November 18, 2020, 12:04:19 pm »
I actually read the report and it doesn’t say most of the things the media reported. What I read was a government department whose contracting capacity was overwhelmed  (16 fold increase in contract value in a few weeks - no-one can do that). If you remember they asked to people to phone it in if they had a bright idea, so people did. Some having more go-getting spirit than others no doubt.

They used up all their pre-qualified suppliers capacity and had to run around the world. There will be mistakes.

As an aside, my brother-in-law is a senior manager at a large PPE company. He says it has been 24/7 from the get go and they are overwhelmed, as is every other company in the country. It’s not like there is spare capacity left lying around.

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Re: One really important question remains unanswered
« Reply #130 on: November 19, 2020, 08:43:01 pm »
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But I can state that some of them will involve voodoo, at least
Nothing too wrong with he dark arts.  Had a friend into that stuff who was having unwanted attention from someone so I bought her a voodoo doll.  She was well chuffed.

There does, however, seem to be more than sprinkling of cronyism and odd procurement processes.  E.g. paying consultants £7000 a day for flawed software seems incredibly irresponsible.  This'll go on until the money finally runs out and the emperor has no new clothes.

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Re: One really important question remains unanswered
« Reply #131 on: November 20, 2020, 07:08:57 am »
This'll go on until the money finally runs out and the emperor has no new clothes.

It'll go on until Keir Starmer's lot get in and clean it all up.  :-\ :-\

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Re: One really important question remains unanswered
« Reply #132 on: November 20, 2020, 08:38:09 am »
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/boris-johnson-military-spending-speech-b1743855.html

Can see why they couldn't afford to feed hungry kids now, how else are you gonna afford lasers!

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Re: One really important question remains unanswered
« Reply #133 on: November 20, 2020, 09:38:22 am »
This'll go on until the money finally runs out and the emperor has no new clothes.

It'll go on until Keir Starmer's lot get in and clean it all up.  :-\ :-\

Chris.

I suspect the collective hari-kiri they're currently implementing may not help in that regard.

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Re: One really important question remains unanswered
« Reply #134 on: November 20, 2020, 12:14:40 pm »
I suspect the collective hari-kiri they're currently implementing may not help in that regard.

My real point is that they will be just as bad. Wasn't 'cronyism' a Blairite invention?, as well as 'spin doctor' ?

It's easy to blame the Tories, but in my view, all politicians stink, their leaning doesn't really matter.

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Re: One really important question remains unanswered
« Reply #135 on: November 20, 2020, 04:08:22 pm »
I couldn't say all politicians - there's plenty out there doing good work, but the system is so hopeless in terms of the public getting proper representation across each district that often any good work is prevented from even happening - because they couldn't get elected due to FPTP. I'm beginning that Labour are heading for an irrevocable split, which may be a good thing in the long-term. As long as PR is also delivered about the same time!

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Re: One really important question remains unanswered
« Reply #136 on: November 20, 2020, 04:43:17 pm »
The best way to create PR is to split all constituencies into areas of approximately equal numbers of voters.

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Re: One really important question remains unanswered
« Reply #137 on: November 20, 2020, 04:54:47 pm »
The best way to create PR is to split all constituencies into areas of approximately equal numbers of voters.

That is open for gerrymandering still much like our existing system.

Agree with their policies or not Brexit party got 650,000 votes in 2019 (approx 2% of the vote) and have 0 representation. The greens got 870,000 (nearly 3% populations) and only have one seat out of 650. (0.15% population).

Proper proportional representation is needed to make votes actually matter

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Re: One really important question remains unanswered
« Reply #138 on: November 20, 2020, 05:02:36 pm »
But then you lose representation for your area - who's going to decide which of them actually get in?

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Re: One really important question remains unanswered
« Reply #139 on: November 20, 2020, 05:29:36 pm »
Other than banging on about how local he is all the time, I'm not convinced my local MP has ever actually done anything to represent my local area.

Every time I email him about local or national issues, I get some patronising crap and sticking 100% to the party line  :wall:
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Re: One really important question remains unanswered
« Reply #140 on: November 20, 2020, 05:41:45 pm »
But then you lose representation for your area - who's going to decide which of them actually get in?

surely that's where local councils come into it (that again should be done on PR)

Other than banging on about how local he is all the time, I'm not convinced my local MP has ever actually done anything to represent my local area.

Every time I email him about local or national issues, I get some patronising crap and sticking 100% to the party line  :wall:

Pete do you live in the same town as me? Although mine's not even local, I actually doubt if he's every even visited the area, but he's got a blue ribbon on so it doesn't really matter what his views are or even if he does anything.

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Re: One really important question remains unanswered
« Reply #141 on: November 20, 2020, 05:51:46 pm »
This sums up Chris' point quite aptly though - at least about ministers. It's Friday, so it's Marina Hyde day:

"Everyone else in this country knows that if they were formally found by their employer to have bullied people in the workplace, they would be put out of work. Yet the home secretary – the home secretary! – will not meet this standard employment fate. She gets a vote of confidence from the prime minister. Downing Street clearly decided it would be worth having to eat shit for a couple of days rather than look “weak” by sacking Patel, and imagined the story would die down swiftly enough for them to have “got away with it". But they haven’t. Every case like this chips away at the remaining vestiges of respect people have for politicians. Every instance of someone – simply because they are a politician – getting away with behaviour that people know wouldn’t be tolerated at their own workplace erodes something much bigger than trust in the individual politician."

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/nov/20/priti-patel-home-secretary-behaviour-adviser-standards-quit

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Re: One really important question remains unanswered
« Reply #142 on: November 20, 2020, 05:55:20 pm »
Pete do you live in the same town as me? Although mine's not even local, I actually doubt if he's every even visited the area, but he's got a blue ribbon on so it doesn't really matter what his views are or even if he does anything.

I don't think so Josh, but they are (mostly) all the same...

Our guy is actually from the local area; it seems to be him only selling point.

It always amazes me that pretty much every flyer we get though the door is about how he's "defending" the local area from developers, but last time I checked that was a council issue, not a government issue (and I work with developers, so I hope I know). He's never once mentioned a national policy issue in all his propaganda. It's presumably easier for him to sell himself as a local councillor, or better still a lobby voice to the local council, rather than dealing with the real issues facing the country...
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Re: One really important question remains unanswered
« Reply #143 on: November 20, 2020, 09:52:09 pm »
Here's the footage of the eye testing one's departure:



It'll be nice when all this is properly made available to those of us that actually have paid for BBC stuff with the licence tax.

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Re: One really important question remains unanswered
« Reply #144 on: November 20, 2020, 10:26:18 pm »
Ace. What few underlings I have at work, I've now got the go ahead to give them a hard time, courtesy of HMG.

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Re: One really important question remains unanswered
« Reply #145 on: November 20, 2020, 11:18:16 pm »
Spitting image was originally on ITV (& the recent US election special was shown on that channel)

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Re: One really important question remains unanswered
« Reply #146 on: November 20, 2020, 11:35:43 pm »
It was pure joy watching Priti Patel being 'interviewed' by Vicki Young on the news tonight. She looked like she was sitting in a pool of her own piss, but good manners dictate that she must pretend that she wasn't. She truly is the fakest politician - nay person - currently available for popular viewing. It's an object lesson in how not to do it. Give it a week? I look forward to Allegra Stratton's upcoming bar-chart presentation on honesty perception amongst the public. Possibly back on Peston.

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Re: One really important question remains unanswered
« Reply #147 on: November 21, 2020, 09:47:34 am »
I have significant experience of listening to self-important tall white guys disparaging their small Asian female boss, so I can well imagine what actually went on a few years ago.
So yeah, I’d cut her some slack probably the first time.

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Re: One really important question remains unanswered
« Reply #148 on: November 21, 2020, 11:28:34 am »
It's scarcely the first time though. Her secret visit to Israel also broke the ministerial code and should have disqualified her from ever holding public office again, and Teresa May was smart enough to boot her out, but then the corrupt lard-arse bent the program again and brought her back, against advice. If being small, female and Asian are sufficient grounds to let her off, never mind her use of 'unintentional', then we really are in a strange place. I don't doubt that the civil service might be somewhat internally prejudiced in these matters, but I'm not. Her problems are in her head, not the way she looks. And last time I checked she wasn't too keen on immigrants, especially ones who might be small, female and Asian.

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Re: One really important question remains unanswered
« Reply #149 on: November 21, 2020, 07:19:39 pm »
Small people can be bullies.  Asian people can be bullies. Females can be bullies.  Bullies are bullies.  Priti Patel is been proved to be a bully.  Why let her off because she female Asian and small.

 

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