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« on: March 19, 2004, 01:08:42 pm »
some T**t is selling a stal on ebay - I think that someone should ram it up his f***ing arse

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« Reply #2 on: March 19, 2004, 01:19:28 pm »
yeah! - couldnt put the link on for some reason.

It makes me very angry when i see people trying it on like that. what if it goes for a fair few quid? before you know it, other caves are getting trashed for a quick buck.

I'm gonna email him and try to discourage him from selling it

The more people who do this, the better!

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« Reply #3 on: March 19, 2004, 01:32:56 pm »
How do you email people on ebay? I certainly intend on making my point of view on people who destroy cave formations  :evil:  :evil:

Things like this result in episodes like that down Carlswark.  :guns:
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« Reply #4 on: March 19, 2004, 01:50:28 pm »
I clicked onto "ask seller a question"

then let rip :argue:

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« Reply #5 on: March 19, 2004, 01:57:35 pm »
:evil:  :evil:  :evil:

this is actually very serious and needs to be delt with properly.

Maybe DCA or some such should be in contact with E-bay to get the sale of such items banned. If people cotton on.......

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« Reply #6 on: March 19, 2004, 02:03:55 pm »
i'll have a word mith Mr D tonight and ask him his opinion

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« Reply #7 on: March 19, 2004, 02:04:56 pm »
Quote from: "SALTY"
I clicked onto "ask seller a question"

then let rip :argue:


The last thing we need is to force these people underground (scuse pun) like bird egg sellers.

Education is the key. One thing we can do is give them a bad sellers rating.

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« Reply #8 on: March 19, 2004, 02:06:02 pm »
There was a similar case about a year ago when someone tried to sell some stal from Pant Mawr Pot. Their 'defence' was that they found it already broken, but by selling it they are encouraging people to go and break others off. Cant remember the conclusion to that.

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« Reply #9 on: March 19, 2004, 02:07:22 pm »
i thought that you could only give someone a bad sellers rating if you actually bought from them?

My email explained the ethics of his actions and may well have been educational.

heres hoping...

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« Reply #10 on: March 19, 2004, 06:04:03 pm »
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i thought that you could only give someone a bad sellers rating if you actually bought from them?

Correct.

WTF :rolleyes:
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« Reply #11 on: March 19, 2004, 06:45:06 pm »
Crystal nonsense; there's a lot of nutters out there*.

Question: if there's anything in the theory about crystals having "auras" etc. shouldn't cavers who are surrounded by the stuff be overdosed on whatever the supposed effects are? - for instance, if calcite is supposed to be so damn good for your memory why do cave trips occasionally contain someone who's forgotten their wellies/helmet/lamp? (delete as appropriate).

* And there's even more idiots who believe the wild claims they make!

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« Reply #12 on: March 19, 2004, 06:55:53 pm »
Maybe you could email Ebay directly and inform them that this is a bad thing?

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« Reply #13 on: March 19, 2004, 07:57:33 pm »
This sort of thing comes up regularly on the NSS discussion board.  If I recall, eBay has a policy of not selling stolen or inappropriately-obtained items, and altho it is difficult to trace a specific stal, the folks at e-Bay are well aware of the cave vandalism legislation in the US and, presumably, elsewhere, and supposedly watch out for these types of listings.

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« Reply #14 on: March 19, 2004, 08:35:31 pm »
I mailed the guy as soon as i saw this thread, just got this reply from him:

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Hi
Many thanks for your email I have removed the item from sale following your
advice. I will offer it to the local school which I'm sure will make a good
research item.

The stal was bought at a local car boot sale for a few pence years ago, we
are just,as you can see from my other items having a clear out.

You seem to be a very fair chap not like the nob who sent the enclosed email
below, sure he's only trying to do his bit.

Regards
Glenn Perry



you shouldn't be selling items on this on ebay!

It has come out of a cave!

If it fetches a few quid, then it could encourage people to remove stal from
caves.


This may result in many caves getting trashed!

please remove it


A result I think. Lets hope the school teach the kids not to steal stals from caves.

So anyone going to own up to being a nob? :P

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« Reply #15 on: March 20, 2004, 09:11:05 am »
good work chaps - we need to keep an eye out for this kind of stuff. Its the crystal mob that Im more worried about. Has anyone mailed them.

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« Reply #16 on: March 20, 2004, 10:11:54 am »
i sent them the same message i sent the other seller. So far i have had no reply.

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« Reply #17 on: March 20, 2004, 12:46:17 pm »
Quote from: "pothole pils"
So anyone going to own up to being a nob? :P


 I'm not going to admit to being a nob :oops:

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« Reply #18 on: March 20, 2004, 08:04:04 pm »
I wouldn't have said you were. I don't see much difference between your message to the seller and my own.

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« Reply #19 on: March 28, 2004, 11:06:19 pm »
Just out of interest..............has anyone tried to send an email to the peeps at eBay and if so, where do they stand on this?

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« Reply #20 on: March 29, 2004, 09:13:08 am »
Quote from: "SamT"
good work chaps - we need to keep an eye out for this kind of stuff. Its the crystal mob that Im more worried about. Has anyone mailed them.


I simply asked the origin of the stal, and got the following:

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Hi there,

I've asked my supplier for the origin of this and I am waiting for them to
get back to me, thanks, Ruth

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« Reply #21 on: March 29, 2004, 05:10:03 pm »
I just did a search on e-bay for just Stalactite wihch returned 44 results. Just skimming through these, some however are not actually stals.

What are peoples opinions on selling the kind of polished rocks that one finds in the tacky gift shops all over the place for ridiculous prices, is this not as just as bad as selling stals or is there some fundamental difference?


I'll be emailing the people selling the actual stals as before. As for getting in touch with e-bay themselves, it's not easy, unsurprisingly they get thousands of emails a day and as I can't see that stals come under any of the banned items catagories, I can't see how much they can do. Plus you can't just send them a general email you have to select catagories for your message, into which this query doesn't really fit.

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« Reply #22 on: March 29, 2004, 05:56:38 pm »
Reply to one of my messages just came back:

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I fully understand you concern. The thing is we only sell these kinds of
items that come from active mines. These specimens come are taken from mines
before the mine is blasted to harvest the ore in the mine. So actually we
are preserving these specimens. If they were not harvested out of the mine
before blasting they would just go to the rock crusher with all the rest of
the material. Please believe me when I say I fully agree with your position
and we would never never sell something that was harvested in a living cave.

I hope this addresses your concerns.  


What do people think of this? To me this seems acceptable, however does selling this kind of product make it more likely that people will take stals from caves thinking that it is ok to make a quick buck?

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« Reply #23 on: March 29, 2004, 06:46:08 pm »
They shouldnt be mining if formations are being destroyed!

Of course it wil encourage people to take them from other places.

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« Reply #24 on: March 29, 2004, 06:51:23 pm »
In an ideal world that would be the case, but unfortunately the economic benefits of mining will always take precedence over the wishes of conservationists, especially where the thing to be conserved is well out of the public gaze.

We are maybe doing more harm by bringing attention to this issue in this way as people will realise that there is a market for cave formations, albeit a small one. It doesn't take much for somebody who's interested in a quick buck to quickly wreck a load of formations without thinking twice about it.
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