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Offline Iain Barker

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Moorhouse is back!
« on: November 12, 2009, 08:54:56 pm »
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Everybody remember this guy? He is leading trips of walkers down Giants and posting on the Sheffield forum as "Lohtse". Be ready!



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Re: Moorhouse is back!
« Reply #1 on: November 12, 2009, 09:06:24 pm »
Couldn't possibly forget. Clearly it is him, though.

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Re: Moorhouse is back!
« Reply #2 on: November 12, 2009, 09:12:10 pm »
What's the story ?

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Re: Moorhouse is back!
« Reply #3 on: November 12, 2009, 09:16:36 pm »
"That, of course, is the dangerous part about caves:  you don't know how far they go back, sometimes... or what is waiting for you inside."   JRR Tolkein: "The Hobbit"

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Re: Moorhouse is back!
« Reply #4 on: November 12, 2009, 11:46:19 pm »
whats thhe link on sheffield forum,?

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Re: Moorhouse is back!
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Re: Moorhouse is back!
« Reply #6 on: November 13, 2009, 01:36:24 am »
Yeah, a few people have PMd me regarding this madman since the original ukcaving shitstorm, one only yesterday.

He's already caused one callout in Giants but is again leading novices down there
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Re: Moorhouse is back!
« Reply #7 on: November 13, 2009, 07:29:43 am »

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Re: Moorhouse is back!
« Reply #8 on: November 13, 2009, 08:34:48 am »
scary  :o

And for the record, the "ZippyDeDoDah" that appears on the Sheffield forum is most definitely NOT me!!!

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Re: Moorhouse is back!
« Reply #9 on: November 13, 2009, 12:09:08 pm »
He's not the only one to be wary about when doing Garlands.  I had a recent encounter with a CIC who initially seemed to know what he was doing, but then turned out to be a complete liability.

On the way down he criticized our rigging saying that one of our crabs was upside down (granted it was) and then proceeded to try to sell a CIC course to me.. So we set off on the round trip.

Getting back to Garlands we found that our only SRT kit had been taken.  This is strange.. but there are loads of people so we'll ask one of them about it.. We got the reply "oh yeah, we took it up. We'll send it back down when we're done." Erm.. That's quite strange. Bemused, we stood there for a further 15 minutes waiting for their group to finish faffing and get to the top.  There was A LOT of faff.  This ranged from tangling ropes to completely de-rigging our ladder.  Handy.

Eventually they decided to give us our ladder back, allowing us to get out of the cave, but in doing so rigged it in a different way to the way we had it.



What is the general consensus of this?  I don't like the idea that I can go on a trip and some apparent CIC can start messing around with my stuff.  I wouldn't touch someone else's rigging, and if I had to move their ladder to make it easier for me then I would put it back EXACTLY how they left it.

The CIC(s) in question also sent an email to the club criticizing our rigging etc, but not only that, he sent it to the health and safety guy at our student's union!  EVERYONE knows that university clubs are in jeopardy of being closed down, so why do that. That is completely below the belt.

More amusingly though, one of the members of our group was an IRATA level 3 with a LOT of experience caving, and I told the CIC this at the time.  Though apparently formal rope qualifications and experience are nothing compared to the knowledge and importance of the CIC.

I also found out in the car park later that they had de-rigged someone else's ladder too and not replaced it.  I find this behaviour completely inappropriate for a 'normal' caver, let alone a CIC.  It seems that every time I encounter them they make mistakes and are incredible slow, yes still have the audacity to criticize others.

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Re: Moorhouse is back!
« Reply #10 on: November 13, 2009, 12:38:02 pm »
Sounds like CIC is also an acronym for 'complete and utter ar5ehloe' or 'criminially idiotic c*nt' in this case.

Can you name and shame this fool?

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Re: Moorhouse is back!
« Reply #11 on: November 13, 2009, 12:44:57 pm »
I bet he was Irish
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Re: Moorhouse is back!
« Reply #12 on: November 13, 2009, 01:01:09 pm »
I don't know names, but don't really want to start stirring anything now anyway as it as happened and nothing can be done about it.

I just think that if you want to criticize people then you tell them face to face and don't go straight to the top and risk club closure. Lame.

Anyway, i've heard about this Moorhouse chap though I don't know what he looks like.  Also, sounds like he's been watching way too much Thunderbirds..

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Re: Moorhouse is back!
« Reply #13 on: November 13, 2009, 01:10:08 pm »
I don't know names, but don't really want to start stirring anything now anyway as it as happened and nothing can be done about it.
Maybe it has, but I'd rather it didn't happen to me if I met the same person underground.[/quote]
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I just think that if you want to criticize people then you tell them face to face and don't go straight to the top and risk club closure. Lame.
Particularly when the guy is obviously not above criticism by a long shot. Someone with a piece of paper to bolster their over inflated ego by the sounds of it.


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Re: Moorhouse is back!
« Reply #14 on: November 13, 2009, 02:06:35 pm »
You could always report the CIC(s) to the BCA training officer.  ;)
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Re: Moorhouse is back!
« Reply #15 on: November 13, 2009, 02:39:15 pm »
The CIC (Cave Instructor Certificate) is a formal qualification. The scheme is run by the BCA and is the highest qualification they award. See http://www.british-caving.org.uk/?page=42

As Les says, report it to the BCA Training Officer. See http://www.british-caving.org.uk/?page=44 for contact details.

I'm sure he will take this kind of behaviour seriously since it could bring the scheme into disrepute.
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Re: Moorhouse is back!
« Reply #16 on: November 13, 2009, 02:40:41 pm »
Name him so we can warned

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Re: Moorhouse is back!
« Reply #17 on: November 13, 2009, 03:01:38 pm »
most CICs are friendly chaps / chapesses and would offer advice like "I see you've done XXX, had you considered YYY" rather than criticise your rigging, try to sell you a course and then complain about you to the SU. maybe he's after the job of training you once he's made them think you're unsafe?


on the Subject of Mr Moorhouse, i see this character has
+ signed one of his posts "andrew"
+ taken a group of sheffield walkers down Giants
+ has an avatar photo in desert combats like an ex member of the SAS
+ when asked "whats in your rucksack" replied "full MRT kit"

- he did have to cancel an overnight walk he was organising due to "being on duty". We have no details yet of what that "duty" is. If it was either as mountain rescue or the counter terrorism branch of the SAS i'd say its more evidence that this is indeed Mr Moorhouse

so yes it does look like the meds might have worn off

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Re: Moorhouse is back!
« Reply #18 on: November 13, 2009, 03:10:55 pm »

Wow, I'm convinced! :o
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Re: Moorhouse is back!
« Reply #19 on: November 13, 2009, 03:29:14 pm »
If this guy is the problem that you say he is, has anyone joined the Sheffield Forum to express their concerns there?

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Re: Moorhouse is back!
« Reply #20 on: November 13, 2009, 04:08:43 pm »
no but i might go on one of the walks he organises and ask sensible questions about subjects (if it is him) he is an expert on .

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« Reply #21 on: November 13, 2009, 06:31:53 pm »
Hi. I am one of the walk leaders for the Sheffield Forum Walking Group. Firstly, thank you to all of you for your concerns, and the information regarding Andrew. Some of it is very revealing to say the least! At this point though, I'd like to just stick to facts, as I know them.
Andrew joined our group about 10 weeks ago and been on a number of our Sunday walks, for recreational purposes. He has not led a walk at all in this time. He did arrange to lead an overnight walk, and sought my help with this. Originally I agreed, but after further thought, I decided that a November night time walk wasn't suitable and I backed out. Eventually Andrew cancelled the walk, probably because of falling interest, although he did say it was due to being called away somewhere.
Regarding caving, privately with people he has met through our Walking Group, he has arranged 2 caving trips. I went on the first one at Giants Hole,for which he provided the 9 people present boots, overalls and helmets with lights. He led the group well, and was very knowledgable. However, he did try and get all of us to descend a 20 foot drop, which I personally didn't think I was capable of getting out of, so I declined. One person who went down the drop in fact couldn't get out, and I had to help him pull her out. We trusted that he knew what he was doing, but clearly he didn't, because in my opinion, he should never have encouraged neither her or me to go down there.
He has now left our group this week, and I very much doubt if we will see him again!

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Re: Moorhouse is back!
« Reply #22 on: November 13, 2009, 06:38:52 pm »
Looking at the history, it seems you and your friend may have had a lucky escape!
If you would like to explore more of Giants or another cave I am sure there are many Sheffield based groups who would love to oblige. I am based in Stoke but will help if I can.

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« Reply #23 on: November 14, 2009, 06:16:58 pm »

Getting back to Garlands we found that our only SRT kit had been taken.  This is strange.. but there are loads of people so we'll ask one of them about it.. We got the reply "oh yeah, we took it up. We'll send it back down when we're done." Erm.. That's quite strange. Bemused, we stood there for a further 15 minutes waiting for their group to finish faffing and get to the top.  There was A LOT of faff.  This ranged from tangling ropes to completely de-rigging our ladder.  Handy.


if that happend to me mate, i'd be waiting in the car park and he'd wish he never crossed me...... that is a serious NO NO

As for this moorhouse chap, read all the guff, looked at his website...... this guy is as warm as toast...... wouldnt let his babysit the kids, he'd probably have them doing "handstands"....... sounds like he needs some sense beating into him..... and if he has got some..... beat that out and beat some more back in.........


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« Reply #24 on: November 15, 2009, 06:14:07 pm »
Can I just say that I am also a member of the Sheffield Forum & know all about the incident at Garlands Pot. Scoobz has told you about what happened down the cave, but, if it wasn't for him the lady in question would probably have been seriously injured, at best. It isn't just the fact that the group put their full trust in him assuring them that it was easy, they also put their trust in his equipment. The lady actually fell off the ladder at one point. Luckily, she had some very good quick thinking friends looking out for her & the safety rope saved her from falling, otherwise she would have had a serious accident.
Now, if this bloke has been doing this for so long, how safe is his equipment? What if his equipment had failed or he hadn't secured it properly in the first instance? It's a pity there isn't a way to take his old & bedraggled equipment off him to stop this happening again.