As I've posted over on AN I'm pretty sure this was actually a collapse happening in the nearby Royal-Hopping-Tear Breeches mine complex, which is extremely unstable and has seen people killed in it in the past through falling rocks, hence why it's now completely off-limits.
Jug Holes instabilityCopied from Hitch n' Hike's info site http://www.peakdistrictcaving.info/cavenews.htm"Jug Holes: Small rock fallReport From: Daryl Godfrey / Adam Evans.Report Date: 13/03/2009.Published: 21/03/2009. I was telephoned by Richard Saunders and John Buckle (local cavers) to inform me that a large boulder " the size of a football" had fallen down the upper entrance (climbable shaft) while they were exiting today (Friday 13th - Superstition - optional). Some moments later - I received another telephone call from Gary Noble at Derbyshire Youth Service to ask the procedure for reporting 'Dangerous Ground' Gary had observed a large fracture and obvious destabilsation extendeing back to the large boulder yesterday ( Thursday 12th). Gary noted the that it looked likely that it was ready to subside. Evidently he was correct! It is now obvious that this area of 'Jug Holes Lower' is in need of some attention / investigation. It is perhaps prudent to give this site a wide birth for the time being until DCA / PICA have investigated and either given assurances or untertaken the necessary work to stabilse this problem."
Nettle pot, from the bottom of Beza, through the crawl and handline to red river passageIt was rather odd.. We haven't read about the bad air in the Descent yet, and we went down, but we were warned by Martin that there was abit of bad air down there. Went down with carbide, and my light became REALLY DIM. The flame was like 1cm or something. Still had loads of rock/water. Walking through from the short squeeze to red river passage was, very odd.. could hardly breathe, and felt like a 23 year old geriatric. Other memebers in the party (from TSG/CUCC as well) complained of similar air gasping experiences. Take heed!!
P8 - LARGE ROCK MOVEMENT BELOW FAR FLATS PITCH / ABOVE STREAMWAYThis afternoon myself and a friend were up in the Flats area of P8 and as we made our way through the tight crawly/climb down to the far (Flats?) pitch I noticed a couple of breeze-block sized rocks moving underfoot. We shifted those back to a safe place but, as we rolled the last one off, the rock I was stood on began to sink and rolled off down towards the streamway (cue the need for new pants). This rock was about a metre across and is similar in size to a large 4x4 tyre! It made it a few metres down the rift and stuck. Bloomin good bang! It currently sits solid in the rift but it is unsupported and pinned in by a small nobble of rock. We did our best to shift it down to the streamway but it is too heavy. I recon it won't go much further but it has potential to drop onto anyone below. The rock would land in the stream on the bend just after the obstruction you have to climb over on route to the 1st pitch.
Are the downstream pitches in Winnats head accessible now? Or still in the process of being re-bolted...Are the spits usable if its not been re-bolted?
Suicide Cave - Loose Bolt at top of Boulder RampAt the top of the boulder ramp in the main chamber the Y hang back-up bolt on the right hand wall when stood on the balcony is loose, the stone is breaking away from the bolt and has quite a bit of movemet. To make sure we backed-up to one of the boulders.
Quote from: Servo on November 16, 2009, 01:59:12 pmSuicide Cave - Loose Bolt at top of Boulder RampAt the top of the boulder ramp in the main chamber the Y hang back-up bolt on the right hand wall when stood on the balcony is loose, the stone is breaking away from the bolt and has quite a bit of movemet. To make sure we backed-up to one of the boulders.I think most people may know that as the 2nd pitch (from the entrance). The bolt you mean is a Petzl Collinox (?) resin one, with the resin badly applied/cracking. Needs pulling out.IMO there is no need for it as there are a number of large threads and spikes in the nearby boulders anyway.
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