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Title: Confession Time
Post by: Paul Marvin on June 11, 2021, 06:18:56 pm
Hi Guys

How many mine enthusiasts also go caving as well , I am very interested ?. Dont start a bun fight though !!!

Paul
Title: Re: Confession Time
Post by: Tomferry on June 11, 2021, 06:24:10 pm
I admit I also go caving their both underground in a dark hole both have their own formations, As long as I am underground I am happy , also have to admit I have been down lots of nice railway tunnels !
Title: Re: Confession Time
Post by: Brains on June 11, 2021, 06:29:19 pm
I am immensely happy exploring mines or caves, each have so much to offer to those that have eyes to see! For those that want a gym workout I dont suppose it matters
Title: Re: Confession Time
Post by: ditzy on June 11, 2021, 06:29:58 pm
I like both caves and mines, if I am underground I am happy.
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Post by: pwhole on June 11, 2021, 07:10:49 pm
Again, no real preference for me either - though I do still feel that odd twinge of frustration and awe when I think I've found some new natural cave and then see a stemple in the roof. Seeing five intact clay pipes and a jacket button on one short trip into a 'new' site recently was pretty cool too :)
Title: Re: Confession Time
Post by: Cantclimbtom on June 11, 2021, 08:48:36 pm
Not tried caving, but If I ever manage to get outdoors rather than just discussing it on a forum :(  I'd like to try a cave. Some of the pots in the dales look interesting from the photos I've seen, lots look quite up-and-down in nature. Don't mind getting damp but don't own a wetsuit or furry oversuit so I'd need to choose wisely
Title: Re: Confession Time
Post by: ZombieCake on June 11, 2021, 09:06:58 pm
Not sure it really matters much, as long as it's avoiding that pesky daylight thing.  Of course there's different nuances, but what's not to like?
Title: Re: Confession Time
Post by: Paul Marvin on June 11, 2021, 09:40:44 pm
Again, no real preference for me either - though I do still feel that odd twinge of frustration and awe when I think I've found some new natural cave and then see a stemple in the roof. Seeing five intact clay pipes and a jacket button on one short trip into a 'new' site recently was pretty cool too :)
 

Imagine the buzz we get being the first to swim down a tunnel that nobody has been in for many many  of years , not knowing whats around the next corner. Rhiwbach was particularly a great thrill  when we first dived that , there are a lot of goodies in there
Title: Re: Confession Time
Post by: royfellows on June 11, 2021, 09:49:18 pm
I did some caving in the peaks many years ago and have been thinking of giving it another try. When i go into a mine and find someone has moved one of the rocks from where it was last time I start to think it about time to try something new.  :lol:
Title: Re: Confession Time
Post by: pwhole on June 11, 2021, 09:55:51 pm
What I enjoy about many of the Peak District sites is that you often get both options in one - we're currently surveying an old mine with a large natural chamber in it, with definitely more natural to follow. Bargain :)
Title: Re: Confession Time
Post by: PeteHall on June 11, 2021, 10:09:19 pm
I'm primarily a caver, but while I lived in Durham, I spent a lot of yine exploring (and digging) in the local mines as I could be underground 40 minutes after leaving my front door.

Fir a time, I was much more mine explorer than caver and part of me misses that side of it.

I've got loads of projects I'd love to get back to, but it's just too far and I've got loads of projects down south now.

Either way, I'm happy so long as I'm underground (other than the London Underground, which doesn't count).
Title: Re: Confession Time
Post by: alastairgott on June 11, 2021, 11:37:40 pm
I've been caving fir yines too!  :tease:

Primarily a caver, as soon as I started 'caving' in Derbyshire I was taken to loads of mines, which I'd always told my mum (when a student) were far more dangerous!

My mum did ask me to stop telling her where I was going so she wouldn't worry, I think this is probably as the number of mine trips increased. But I think I've got a happy medium now.

And as if to prove pwholes case in point, me, him and "others" (it's pwhole's favourite gripe when all the key people are summarised as others...) spent 4years ::)  digging Longcliffe MINE and POT   :dig:
Title: Re: Confession Time
Post by: pwhole on June 12, 2021, 12:31:09 am
Indeed - here's another of those funny open stopes with no vein in it. What a waste of our mine-exploring time. And also the miners' passage leading away from its base. You can tell it was a mine passage from the staircase. Probably pre-gunpowder though, so it must have take a while to open it up :)
Title: Re: Confession Time
Post by: davel on June 12, 2021, 08:49:58 am
Started in north Wales back in in 1961 with the limestone caves and mines at Llandulas. At Manchester with MUSS from 1968 onwards was mostly caving in the Yorkshire Dales and occasionally elsewhere in the UK plus a couple expeditions to Matienzo in Spain. On moving back to north Wales it's been mostly mines and underground quarries and I've developed an interest in industrial and particularly mining history. However, I've had occasional underground caving trips in south Wales caves over the last few years and a very enjoyable trip down Lost Johns 18 months ago.

So, am I a caver or a mine explorer? I'll answer to either - and enjoy both.

Dave
Title: Re: Confession Time
Post by: SamT on June 12, 2021, 09:55:12 am
Love both.. not sure why there seems to be this 'perceived' animosity between the two groups when if fact, with maybe the exception of the Yorkshire dales, all the area's of UK have a plethora of both.

Perhaps it dates back to the 'forum' wars of the early noughties.

Anyway, growing up in Castleton,  I guess my interest for the underground was first piqued by dropping stones down mine shafts up on Dirtlow Rake with my dad.  Then scout trips down P8 and Giants and then some forays with Dad into some of the Perryfoot caves.   Then when I got into caving proper (much later in life) it was trips into Rowter, Oxlow, Odin etc and the big slate stuff in Wales that gave me a real appreciated for man made underground spaces.

I get an equal buzz from both.
Title: Re: Confession Time
Post by: mch on June 12, 2021, 10:07:39 am
I've always done both - as I started venturing underground in the Peak District this was really unavoidable! Are there actually people who only do one or the other or is that a myth?
Title: Re: Confession Time
Post by: SamT on June 12, 2021, 10:16:17 am
I've always done both - as I started venturing underground in the Peak District this was really unavoidable! Are there actually people who only do one or the other or is that a myth?

Said with out judgement .. but I suspect there are more Mine Ex/Urb Ex types that have never been down a cave, against cavers who've never ventured into a mine.
Title: Re: Confession Time
Post by: thehungrytroglobite on June 12, 2021, 10:52:28 am
I got into caving first, and was adamant that mines were rubbish and boring in comparison, but a combination of dating an archaeologist, my house being closer to mines than caves, and mines being more accessible to me (I go to the lakes a lot) mean that I have now done just as many mine exploring trips as I have caving trips.

I like them both for very different reasons, and although if I HAD to choose which one I preferred I'd probably go for caving still, mine exploring isn't far behind!
Title: Re: Confession Time
Post by: 2xw on June 12, 2021, 12:01:13 pm
Being a peak district caver I'm not sure we have much of a choice, can't think of many caves that towd man hasn't been in
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Post by: Mrs Trellis on June 12, 2021, 12:36:52 pm
First trip aged 11 was Old Tor Mine from school camp on Cooper's Edale. As usual Derbyshire caving involves mines or part mines into part natural except Perryfoot, Gautries, Giant's * and Nettle.

Aged 40 and retired from real caving I took a wander with family to Alderley Edge and ran into a couple of DCC blokes who "persuaded" me to join - although I now realise they only wanted me for the lifts when required  ::). So I spent 20 years or so at Alderley most of it leading trips in West and Wood & digging the Hough Level . When the blokes died it became less fun so I stopped.

*Giant's is now mined after Watson's & Revell's efforts  :dig:
Title: Re: Confession Time
Post by: NewStuff on June 12, 2021, 05:35:19 pm
I prefer mines... but I'll not say no to a cave if it ticks enough "interesting..." boxes. Current dig is in natural and will likely stay that way if it goes.
Title: Re: Confession Time
Post by: Paul Marvin on June 12, 2021, 05:54:21 pm
Well guys its not just us then that just like going underground,also in our case underwater underground.  :lol: People do regard us as primarily cave/mine divers although we do just as much above the water line. When we are in mines we love the history and the thought that a particular big hole has been dug out by man or is that sexist  :-\ shall we say dug out by a human, equally though we do enjoy a good cave trip even though its been watered down a bit over recent years due to injuries.   At the end of the day if you have a smile on your face and a good bit of banter at the end of the day that's all that matters to us .  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Confession Time
Post by: mrodoc on June 12, 2021, 05:57:35 pm
Benocam who posts on Youtube seems to do just about everything in Cornwall!
Title: Re: Confession Time
Post by: Paul Marvin on June 13, 2021, 05:38:07 pm
Seems like a lot of closet cavers as I expected , I will post some cave videos ?
Title: Re: Confession Time
Post by: Goydenman on June 13, 2021, 07:51:21 pm
starting my underground exploration in the Peak District it has to be both which got me interested in knowing more about both mines and caves
Title: Re: Confession Time
Post by: ttxela2 on June 14, 2021, 11:23:13 am
I've certainly been in the odd cave, mines definitely have more appeal for me though, I like the industrial archaeology side of it and the thought of the old man working down there all those years ago.

I'm also an incorrigible dawdler and at the risk of applying an unfair sweeping generalisation I've found fellow mine explorers much more willing to accommodate this behaviour - and indeed indulge in it themselves. Whereas cavers tend to adopt a faster no-nonsense pace (in my admittedly limited experience).
Title: Re: Confession Time
Post by: Paul Marvin on June 14, 2021, 11:44:36 am
I've certainly been in the odd cave, mines definitely have more appeal for me though, I like the industrial archaeology side of it and the thought of the old man working down there all those years ago.

I'm also an incorrigible dawdler and at the risk of applying an unfair sweeping generalisation I've found fellow mine explorers much more willing to accommodate this behaviour - and indeed indulge in it themselves. Whereas cavers tend to adopt a faster no-nonsense pace (in my admittedly limited experience).

When you say " accommodate this behavior " I presume you mean idle chit chat and banter  ?
Title: Re: Confession Time
Post by: ttxela2 on June 14, 2021, 01:20:56 pm
I've certainly been in the odd cave, mines definitely have more appeal for me though, I like the industrial archaeology side of it and the thought of the old man working down there all those years ago.

I'm also an incorrigible dawdler and at the risk of applying an unfair sweeping generalisation I've found fellow mine explorers much more willing to accommodate this behaviour - and indeed indulge in it themselves. Whereas cavers tend to adopt a faster no-nonsense pace (in my admittedly limited experience).

When you say " accommodate this behavior " I presume you mean idle chit chat and banter  ?

Not necessarily, more just a slower pace of trip. I'm sure there are plenty of caving folks who enjoy a spot of dawdling too.
Title: Re: Confession Time
Post by: Fulk on June 14, 2021, 03:22:00 pm
My (limited) experience of mine-exploration would suggest that mines are, generally speaking, dryer and maybe a bit warmer than caves, hence more conducive to dawdling.
Title: Re: Confession Time
Post by: Paul Marvin on June 14, 2021, 05:03:32 pm
My (limited) experience of mine-exploration would suggest that mines are, generally speaking, dryer and maybe a bit warmer than caves, hence more conducive to dawdling.

They are both the same temp and as for dryer, they are on a par end of the day underground is underground
Title: Re: Confession Time
Post by: Paul Marvin on June 14, 2021, 05:05:23 pm
I've certainly been in the odd cave, mines definitely have more appeal for me though, I like the industrial archaeology side of it and the thought of the old man working down there all those years ago.

I'm also an incorrigible dawdler and at the risk of applying an unfair sweeping generalisation I've found fellow mine explorers much more willing to accommodate this behaviour - and indeed indulge in it themselves. Whereas cavers tend to adopt a faster no-nonsense pace (in my admittedly limited experience).

When you say " accommodate this behavior " I presume you mean idle chit chat and banter  ?

Not necessarily, more just a slower pace of trip. I'm sure there are plenty of caving folks who enjoy a spot of dawdling too.

I think its more to do with the character of the individual rather than anything else bro  :lol:
Title: Re: Confession Time
Post by: mikem on June 14, 2021, 08:41:51 pm
Yep, but the character of the individual determines which of the two they are likely to pursue
Title: Re: Confession Time
Post by: Tomferry on June 14, 2021, 09:02:10 pm
I am 28 went in my first mine at age 14 we found a plan on the internet showing a old iron mine at location X we didn’t no what to expect being only 14 we biked over many times searching for it not really knowing what we would find , eventually we found it a old bricked up tunnel with a grill over it one could fit through , the next weekend I stole my mums wind up torch and of we went at 7am me and my mate we entered the mine without knowing what we would find we got lost for 8 hours inside arguing and scared how would we ever get out no one knew where we was luckily we did  or I wouldn’t be writing this obviously ! Many many years later I still love mines ! But I have to admit these caves with water rushing through them dragging you around really appeals to me and when it comes to dig projects well I would help anywhere  :dig:
Title: Re: Confession Time
Post by: Paul Marvin on June 14, 2021, 09:44:44 pm
Yep, but the character of the individual determines which of the two they are likely to pursue

I think I must be Bi liking both 50/50  :lol: :lol:
Title: Re: Confession Time
Post by: Boy Engineer on June 14, 2021, 11:03:52 pm
but a combination of dating an archaeologist

I thought it was the archaeologists who did all the dating......😂

By the way, you probably know the best way to date an archaeologist is to cut them in half and count the rings.
Title: Re: Confession Time
Post by: AR on June 15, 2021, 09:01:15 am

By the way, you probably know the best way to date an archaeologist is to cut them in half and count the rings.

I must be only two then; there's the one on my left hand, and the other...
Title: Re: Confession Time
Post by: yrammy on June 15, 2021, 09:09:55 am
Although no longer active other than show caves and the odd sprottle, I used to go down anything underground. Caves, mines, and oddities. We did trips in Dinorwig (before it got famous), Shirebrook pit, the 'caves' under Nottingham Castle, Cabinet War Rooms, Redundant tube stations,  Army War Hospital on Jersey, and the tunnel under the Thames in London.   

Mary
Title: Re: Confession Time
Post by: Paul Marvin on June 15, 2021, 11:49:45 am

By the way, you probably know the best way to date an archaeologist is to cut them in half and count the rings.

I must be only two then; there's the one on my left hand, and the other...

You have one more think about it or maybe not   :lol: :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Confession Time
Post by: wormster on June 15, 2021, 05:32:17 pm
OK I'm a slut: I enjoy Quarries, Mines, Caves, Bunkers etc, away from daylight and the herd!!
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