Quote from: Huge on October 06, 2018, 08:08:09 pm Maybe it's possible to get whatever results you want out of a bat survey?This is the PDCMG's bat expert - the people who would really, really like a single entrance to the system. Why on earth would they report something likely (if protocol is followed) to keep entrances open, if it wasn't actually true.
Maybe it's possible to get whatever results you want out of a bat survey?
At times this place is like the Daily Mail for hysteria and bias I hear there is a possibility of peace breaking out in the near future. The best chance of that happening is to tone down the rhetoric and outrage.
... blimey, fancy UKC being likened to the Daily Mail
for being "offensive" by the Multiple Entrances At Any Cost Gang.
we could lose even more access
The Daily Mail is now being edited by Geordie Greig, the former editor of the Mail on Sunday. He is a very different sort of person from his predecessor Paul Dacre, and it is already apparent that the rhetoric and bias which used to characterise much of the Daily Mail has been toned down a great deal. I suggest you all try reading it.
........... I'd get more entertainment reading the ingredients on a tub of margarine tan that bilge .............
What's done is done
Pretty sure it's been said on here that bats need a horizontal opening to fly into and that a small, vertical opening is no good to them.It seems CADW wouldn't trust cavers not to vandalise a bat friendly gate or grill. Why the entrance couldn't have been built up slightly and a bat sized channel, at first horizontal then switching to vertical, left through the concrete, I don't know. It could have been made out of rectangular section plastic (lasts forever, apparently) channel and the concrete poured around it. Too late now, of course.
It does...If I were a local, I'd be paying very close attention to where that scheduled land ends, looking a bit outside that, prefereably on access land, and poking at some bits that look promising. On overlay of the cave map in that vicinity and the SAM boundaries on a sat image would be a very good thing to have...
Quote from: NewStuff on October 10, 2018, 08:41:30 pmIt does...If I were a local, I'd be paying very close attention to where that scheduled land ends, looking a bit outside that, prefereably on access land, and poking at some bits that look promising. On overlay of the cave map in that vicinity and the SAM boundaries on a sat image would be a very good thing to have...Does CROW give a right to dig now; or is landowner permission still required?
Nice try Newstuff. "Dislodging topsoil" sounds like digging to me. This sort of "clever" wordplay just makes you look foolish.
Not as foolish as cavers complicit in filling in an entrance to a cave!Chris.
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