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Smoking in caves/mines - opinions?
« on: May 13, 2021, 03:17:52 pm »
Experienced a significant amount of cigarette smoke trapped in a passage in Coniston mines the other day (one of the bits with less ventilation), and it was vile. I'm an ex smoker myself but still felt like I was suffocating in it. I know some cavers used to smoke in caves but didn't think many people did any more.

Interested to hear other people's opinions on smoking in caves?
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Re: Smoking in caves/mines - opinions?
« Reply #1 on: May 13, 2021, 03:31:38 pm »
It is generally a bad idea to smoke in coal mines.

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Re: Smoking in caves/mines - opinions?
« Reply #2 on: May 13, 2021, 03:38:07 pm »
I had  smoked in mines for many years and a few caves have to admit we always went away from the main passage and tried to be the best behave we could with it , I quit 2 weeks ago though  :bounce:

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Re: Smoking in caves/mines - opinions?
« Reply #3 on: May 13, 2021, 03:43:38 pm »
I dig with a smoker and so long as he's 1m away (in the right direction), I can't smell a thing  :thumbsup:

Elsewhere, I have known a smoker need to use his diving reg to get enough oxygen into the air to get the lighter to go; possibly not the best spot to stop for a smoke...

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Re: Smoking in caves/mines - opinions?
« Reply #4 on: May 13, 2021, 04:17:57 pm »
I don't smoke, and I quite like the smell of tobacco smoke.
So I don't mind.

As long as the smoker takes their litter out with them, I'm not really worried.

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Re: Smoking in caves/mines - opinions?
« Reply #5 on: May 13, 2021, 04:27:53 pm »
I cave and dig with a few smokers. It doesn't really bother me too much, but then I grew up around a lot of cigarette smoke so am used to it and the smell doesn't offend me unless its blowing directly into my face. It certainly bothers me a lot less than an irritable caver with withdrawal symptoms!

Anyway, when digging, so many times a smoker has been called down the hole to light up and establish whether there is a draught.  ;D
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Re: Smoking in caves/mines - opinions?
« Reply #6 on: May 13, 2021, 04:39:00 pm »
Nooooooooooooooooooo!

I was horrified the first time I went caving with smokers and they lit up underground, I couldn't believe it  :o  Hated they way the cave smelt of old fag smoke on the way back out.

Fortunately Badlad gave up years ago  ;D

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Re: Smoking in caves/mines - opinions?
« Reply #7 on: May 13, 2021, 05:02:27 pm »
When I started going down mines, my friends dad would take us underground in the Peak District. He smoked a pipe and that was a nice smell. Can't remember the last time I was underground with someone who sparked up a cig.   

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Re: Smoking in caves/mines - opinions?
« Reply #8 on: May 13, 2021, 05:30:26 pm »
When I started going down mines, my friends dad would take us underground in the Peak District. He smoked a pipe and that was a nice smell. Can't remember the last time I was underground with someone who sparked up a cig.   

You still see plenty of butt ends , but having said that they could be well old
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Re: Smoking in caves/mines - opinions?
« Reply #10 on: May 13, 2021, 06:56:51 pm »
it is a right pain in the backside if you want to take photos as it creates a smog. That is unless you are trying to get a Ridley Scott effect. The only image I can remember of mine being improved was one of Ken Passant ascending to the Landing in Swildons. Not keen generally on fags in caves - or general. But then I'm a doctor!

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Re: Smoking in caves/mines - opinions?
« Reply #11 on: May 13, 2021, 07:16:38 pm »
He smoked a pipe and that was a nice smell.

Yes, you can't beat a bit of rough shag.

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Re: Smoking in caves/mines - opinions?
« Reply #12 on: May 13, 2021, 07:24:12 pm »
I am an ex Smoker, and have done so underground. I now regret this, and would advise strongly against it for many reasons

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Re: Smoking in caves/mines - opinions?
« Reply #13 on: May 13, 2021, 07:26:36 pm »
Apparently smoking underground when Radon is present is a very bad idea...
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Re: Smoking in caves/mines - opinions?
« Reply #14 on: May 13, 2021, 08:12:54 pm »
Nooooooooooooooooooo!

I was horrified the first time I went caving with smokers and they lit up underground, I couldn't believe it  :o  Hated they way the cave smelt of old fag smoke on the way back out.

Fortunately Badlad gave up years ago  ;D

There’s every likelihood Pegasus is talking about me. Sorry.

When I joined the TSG in 1980 you could count the number of club members who didn’t smoke in a cave on one hand.

I gave up smoking real cigarettes about 5 years ago and now smoke an electronic cigarette. It goes with me on every single trip and I don’t see that changing any time soon.

I’ve never had any complaints and am regularly called upon to check the draught in our digs.

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Re: Smoking in caves/mines - opinions?
« Reply #15 on: May 13, 2021, 08:59:32 pm »
I don't mind if it's big and drafty like Rowten or GG main chamber but it's horrible anywhere else.
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Re: Smoking in caves/mines - opinions?
« Reply #16 on: May 13, 2021, 09:09:22 pm »
totally unacceptable in an enclosed space. I cant comprehend why anyone in todays world would find this acceptable underground or in an enclosed space, the smell to some people (like me) is quite revolting.

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Re: Smoking in caves/mines - opinions?
« Reply #17 on: May 13, 2021, 09:38:47 pm »
Nooooooooooooooooooo!

I was horrified the first time I went caving with smokers and they lit up underground, I couldn't believe it  :o  Hated they way the cave smelt of old fag smoke on the way back out.

Fortunately Badlad gave up years ago  ;D

There’s every likelihood Pegasus is talking about me. Sorry.


It was the whole blummin lot of you  :lol:  The Uni club I caved with didn't smoke underground, nor any other cavers I went with after Uni - then I met the NCC...... :o

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Re: Smoking in caves/mines - opinions?
« Reply #18 on: May 14, 2021, 12:58:11 am »
totally unacceptable in an enclosed space. I cant comprehend why anyone in todays world would find this acceptable underground or in an enclosed space, the smell to some people (like me) is quite revolting.

agree. myself and another member of my group were coughing quite severely when the smoke got super dense
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Re: Smoking in caves/mines - opinions?
« Reply #19 on: May 14, 2021, 07:51:48 am »
Back in the day, some of us used to smoke on long, deep trips in the Picos, partly to keep awake. I don't think it was a great idea, now.

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Re: Smoking in caves/mines - opinions?
« Reply #20 on: May 14, 2021, 08:33:20 am »
totally unacceptable in an enclosed space. I cant comprehend why anyone in todays world would find this acceptable underground or in an enclosed space, the smell to some people (like me) is quite revolting.

agree. myself and another member of my group were coughing quite severely when the smoke got super dense

The smoke got super dense ? Was you in a coffin level ? I have honestly smoked in mines for years and never made dense  smoke even with everyone of the group smoking also  4/5 of us at least , are you sure their was not a fire going some where ?

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Re: Smoking in caves/mines - opinions?
« Reply #21 on: May 14, 2021, 08:40:38 am »
Obviously smoking in coal mines has never been a good idea and has been illegal for many years. Other mines often allowed smoking until the law banned indoor smoking in public places.
We used to drop off our geologist to look at something and return a couple of hours later to collect him, homing in to his location by the smell of smoke as we drove along with the Land Rover windows open.
I presume that as old mines and caves are "public places" it is technically illegal to smoke in them?

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Re: Smoking in caves/mines - opinions?
« Reply #22 on: May 14, 2021, 09:13:05 am »
If you want smoke so dense you can only see about a metre a trip into Dan yr Ogof on October 31st will more than satisfy your curiousity

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Re: Smoking in caves/mines - opinions?
« Reply #23 on: May 14, 2021, 10:25:02 am »
Can't comment on caves, as I'm not a caver and haven't been in one in years.

As far as mines go, doesn't bother me.
I was a VERY heavy smoker for years; Benson & Hedges rang me up and asked me leave the amateur game behind and turn professional  :lol:
After I quit a few years ago I was the worst anti-smoker in the world; I would cross the street to avoid the smell.
Smoking underground in mines leaves no permanent damage as far as I can tell, the smell disperses quickly and as long as the rubbish is disposed of I'm ok with it. All the miners back in the day would be smokers so it's not a "new" smell  ;)

Slightly 'off topic'; we did the Pandora through trip a few years ago and I was running late from work and VERY tired so I went in from the opposite direction and waited at a convenient spot half way and got my head down for a kip under an ore hopper while I waited for the rest of the group to meet me. Slept for about 40 minutes but was woken up by the faint smell of cigarette smoke. About an hour later they turned up! The smoke had drifted outwards on the natural venting but had taken a hell of a time to get there. 
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Re: Smoking in caves/mines - opinions?
« Reply #24 on: May 14, 2021, 11:32:15 am »
Can't comment on caves, as I'm not a caver and haven't been in one in years.

As far as mines go, doesn't bother me.
I was a VERY heavy smoker for years; Benson & Hedges rang me up and asked me leave the amateur game behind and turn professional  :lol:
After I quit a few years ago I was the worst anti-smoker in the world; I would cross the street to avoid the smell.
Smoking underground in mines leaves no permanent damage as far as I can tell, the smell disperses quickly and as long as the rubbish is disposed of I'm ok with it. All the miners back in the day would be smokers so it's not a "new" smell  ;)

Slightly 'off topic'; we did the Pandora through trip a few years ago and I was running late from work and VERY tired so I went in from the opposite direction and waited at a convenient spot half way and got my head down for a kip under an ore hopper while I waited for the rest of the group to meet me. Slept for about 40 minutes but was woken up by the faint smell of cigarette smoke. About an hour later they turned up! The smoke had drifted outwards on the natural venting but had taken a hell of a time to get there. 

Would never have thought you were a heavy smoker the way you walk up hills !
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