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Title: Bad air / pollution / bad bolts / etc
Post by: bubba on October 26, 2007, 08:00:20 pm

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Title: Re: Bad air / pollution / bad bolts / etc
Post by: Glenn on September 11, 2009, 02:32:51 pm
CNCC has been informed that there is a "very" loose anchor on Elizabeth pitch in King Pot. None of the anchors in King are ECO anchors, so it is not covered by the BCA/CNCC anchor scheme.

Take care!

Cheers,

Glenn
Title: Re: Bad air / pollution / bad bolts / etc
Post by: GT on March 09, 2010, 07:39:17 am
I was down Tathem Wife and Rowten recently and in both pots several of the lower pitches had bolts that where certainly borderline; movement of 2mm+. One of the bolts at the head of the ramp pitch in Tathem could be pulled out a little!! There is a 8mm spit near it thats still got some thread on it so at least it can be backed up...

CNCC have been informed...
Title: Re: Bad air / pollution / bad bolts / etc
Post by: langcliffe on March 09, 2010, 07:57:00 am
One of the bolts at the head of the ramp pitch in Tathem could be pulled out a little!! There is a 8mm spit near it thats still got some thread on it so at least it can be backed up...

I didn't know that there was an ecobolt at the head of the ramp in Tatty - I always use the chockstone as a belay. We did notice last week one bolt that was loose at the head of one pitch (the third, I believe), but we deemed it safe enough pro tem.

It tends to take longer to remove a "duff" bolt than it does to insert one from scratch.
Title: Re: Bad air / pollution / bad bolts / etc
Post by: Glenn on March 09, 2010, 09:57:08 am

CNCC have been informed...

Who within CNCC did you inform?

We are aware of "loose" anchors on the traverse to the final pitch in Rowten and they were tested to 10Kn in summer 2009 and were deemed OK - that is, even though they appear "loose" they would not come out at 10Kn.


Glenn
Title: Re: Bad air / pollution / bad bolts / etc
Post by: NOZ on September 11, 2010, 12:48:03 am
One of the bolts at the top of the second pitch in Diccan is rather further out than it should be, and wobbles a little. As of 30Aug.
Title: Re: Bad air / pollution / bad bolts / etc
Post by: zaphod79 on September 12, 2010, 10:50:30 pm
Heron Pot Pitch 2 Bolt 2 is loose looks stable though
Title: Re: Bad air / pollution / bad bolts / etc
Post by: langcliffe on December 09, 2010, 03:08:53 pm
The third bolt on the last pitch in Little Hull Pot has disappeared, along with half the wall. You may recall that this used to be a deviation bolt before a final rebelay.

The rebelay bolt can now be as a deviation using the top two bolts for a Y-hang, but some rope protection is now required at the top of the pitch.

CNCC have been informed.
Title: Re: Bad air / pollution / bad bolts / etc
Post by: mikem on July 15, 2011, 07:10:43 am
Rock fall in Long Kin West http://ukcaving.com/board/index.php?topic=12196.0 (http://ukcaving.com/board/index.php?topic=12196.0)
Title: Re: Bad air / pollution / bad bolts / etc
Post by: Alex on July 15, 2011, 08:48:59 pm
Crescent Pot Entrance is on the move. I even have it on video if I can figure out how to link a facebook video to here.

http://www.facebook.com/video/video.php?v=2258035929329# (http://www.facebook.com/video/video.php?v=2258035929329#)
Title: Re: Bad air / pollution / bad bolts / etc
Post by: MarkS on November 05, 2011, 09:11:06 pm
I'm not sure if it's been mentioned elsewhere, but the deviation krabs on the Grand Cascade in Cigalere streamway now seem to be totally rusted shut.
Title: Re: Bad air / pollution / bad bolts / etc
Post by: Glenn on December 11, 2011, 12:18:21 pm
NOTTS POT BT ROUTE

I have received a report that someone has placed resin bonded anchors on this route and that the resin used has not cured correctly, please be aware that these anchors are probably going to fail.

These anchors have not been installed as part of the BCA/CNCC scheme and are probably dangerous.
Title: Re: Bad air / pollution / bad bolts / etc
Post by: Speleodroid on December 15, 2011, 11:35:26 pm
All of the bolts were removed this afternoon from BT route, apart from one which remains at the top of the 1st pitch in BT route - although the resin appears to have set correctly for this bolt and the anchor appears solid, it would be prudent to assume potentially unsafe and rig off the spits, which are all in good condition at the moment. Care is still required at the top of the second pitch where the rigging is currently not ideal.

Title: Re: Bad air / pollution / bad bolts / etc
Post by: Glenn on October 09, 2012, 11:51:49 am
Lancaster Hole - anchor failure; CNCC has received a report of an anchor failure on the climb down through the boulders between Crap Trap and the old iron ladder pitch in Fall Pot Easegill. The climb down has some Lyon glue in anchors (these are NOT CNCC installed anchors) with rope attached. Cavers undertaking traverse of Easegill are advised to either descend Crap Trap to the Main Drain or pull through from the old ladder pitch.
Title: Re: Bad air / pollution / bad bolts / etc
Post by: Alex on October 09, 2012, 01:05:40 pm
Just for clarification as I am not sure where you mean, I was there Saturday doing the traverse and did not notice anything untoward. Do you mean the hand line climb you go down just before the drop off into fall pot? Or is this somewhere along the high level route? As you suggest descending crap trap I assume you mean this climb?

If this is the issue you could always go the longer other way that don't require any SRT i.e. along to double helix? climbs (its double something)
Title: Re: Bad air / pollution / bad bolts / etc
Post by: Benfool on October 09, 2012, 01:52:01 pm
Alex, yes it was on the handline climb - the usual route to the bottom of Fall Pot from Lancaster Hole. The Crap Trap is the SRT route down to the Main Drain that starts of the left hand side of this climb as you face towards Fall Pot.

I believe (although this may well be incorrect) that it was one of the two anchors at the the bottom of the climb and the bolt was simply pulled out by hand and was not shock loaded.

For the alternative route, you meen Wilf Taylors passage?
Title: Re: Bad air / pollution / bad bolts / etc
Post by: Pitlamp on October 09, 2012, 09:59:10 pm
Out of interest, is the "Craptrap" pitch fitted with proper CNCC anchors now?
Title: Re: Bad air / pollution / bad bolts / etc
Post by: Glenn on October 10, 2012, 10:09:32 am
Out of interest, is the "Craptrap" pitch fitted with proper CNCC anchors now?

Yes. See CNCC Rigging Guide Volume 1 page 39 for topo.
Title: Re: Bad air / pollution / bad bolts / etc
Post by: Pitlamp on October 10, 2012, 10:59:49 am
Cheers Glenn - I'm sure I'll be able to work out how to rig it - it's just useful to know whether it's got rings to clip to.
Title: Re: Bad air / pollution / bad bolts / etc
Post by: Alex on October 10, 2012, 01:22:48 pm
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For the alternative route, you meen Wilf Taylors passage?

Not sure on the passage name, it is not named on the survey I am looking at. However the climbs I referred to are called collectively Double Decker Pot. I am not referring to Bill Taylors passage (If that is what you meant).
Title: Re: Bad air / pollution / bad bolts / etc
Post by: Benfool on October 10, 2012, 02:37:05 pm
http://www.rrcpc.org.uk/easegill/text/montw.htm (http://www.rrcpc.org.uk/easegill/text/montw.htm) and scroll down to Wilf Taylor's Passage
Title: Re: Bad air / pollution / bad bolts / etc
Post by: NOZ on November 06, 2012, 01:26:34 pm
There is a loose bolt on either Fall, Stake or Stop pot.
Sorry for the vagueness.
I was not there and am passing on a report from someone with a poor memory who did a Lancaster-WR trip last week.
Title: Re: Bad air / pollution / bad bolts / etc
Post by: langcliffe on November 06, 2012, 01:29:28 pm
There is a loose bolt on either Fall, Stake or Stop pot.

We can limit it to the first two as there ain't one on the third.
Title: Re: Bad air / pollution / bad bolts / etc
Post by: Anon on November 06, 2012, 04:21:46 pm
There was a report somewhere recently of a (non-CNCC) bolt loose/hanging out on the Fall Pot climb (halfway down if memory serves me right?) - was it that they were referring to?  EDIT: (oh yes, scrolls up the thread and sees it, oops!  ::) )
Title: Re: Bad air / pollution / bad bolts / etc
Post by: s_allshorn on May 24, 2013, 01:03:28 pm
The boulder choke in Large Pot between end of the Necropolis as you emerge into the Eldon Extension (Rift Pot side) had a large boulder removed from it yesterday as it was about fall into the hole. Take great care in this area. 
Title: Re: Bad air / pollution / bad bolts / etc
Post by: undergroundHP on June 07, 2013, 09:11:31 pm
wobbly/loose bolt,   Bull pot Kingsdale , pitch 4 , final Y hang for big pitch.

Has any one else come across this?

who should i inform at the CNCC?

be carefull out there boys and girls
Title: Re: Bad air / pollution / bad bolts / etc
Post by: langcliffe on June 07, 2013, 09:59:53 pm
who should i inform at the CNCC?
http://cncc.org.uk/technical-group/report-anchor.php (http://cncc.org.uk/technical-group/report-anchor.php)
Title: Re: Bad air / pollution / bad bolts / etc
Post by: Glenn on July 28, 2013, 04:28:09 pm
wobbly/loose bolt,   Bull pot Kingsdale , pitch 4 , final Y hang for big pitch.

Has any one else come across this?

who should i inform at the CNCC?

be carefull out there boys and girls

We tested this anchor yesterday. It held at 10kN, that is, even though it had slight rotational movement, it would not pull out of the wall with a load of 10kn applied to it. This was quite a tricky test as the rift was only slightly wider than the tester.

(http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5474/9385781798_23b02ea1f5_z.jpg)
(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7358/9385789310_1e49e1d4de_z.jpg)
Title: Re: Bad air / pollution / bad bolts / etc
Post by: undergroundHP on December 07, 2013, 05:56:11 pm
Bull pot of the witches on the 6/12/13
Fixed ropes going down to the sumps (hidden pot i think)
The rope if very frayed and damaged. I don't think it would support your weight.
We thought we should remove it but then decided not to as it was not our rope. I guess some one from the RRPC??

stay safe out there!
Title: Re: Bad air / pollution / bad bolts / etc
Post by: Alex on September 20, 2015, 11:43:55 pm
If anyone goes down Growling be aware of loose rock on the big pitch, even at the very top where it looks stable, it is not. A large flake of the wall came off at the Y-hang 6m down. Thankfully I was rigging at the time so all did was explode very loudly below. All I did was lean on the wall to thread my stop, well that wall is no longer there! I guess the best bet is to go up and down the whole thing one at a time but that will be a long wait at the bottom.

Its not the only incident there, on a previous trip down there a large chunck fell off from above, so I advise caution on that bugger.

Title: Re: Bad air / pollution / bad bolts / etc
Post by: hannahb on September 21, 2015, 10:47:27 am
Bull pot of the witches on the 6/12/13
Fixed ropes going down to the sumps (hidden pot i think)
The rope if very frayed and damaged. I don't think it would support your weight.
We thought we should remove it but then decided not to as it was not our rope. I guess some one from the RRPC??

stay safe out there!

Thanks for the heads-up.
There's an Ease Gill clean up weekend approaching (http://cncc.org.uk/event_popup.php?id=3 (http://cncc.org.uk/event_popup.php?id=3) everyone welcome :) ), so hopefully someone will get chance to remove or replace it.
Title: Re: Bad air / pollution / bad bolts / etc
Post by: marysboy on August 02, 2017, 04:01:19 pm
old ing dive lines in poor condition. see new topic here

http://ukcaving.com/board/index.php?topic=22295.0 (http://ukcaving.com/board/index.php?topic=22295.0)
Title: Re: Bad air / pollution / bad bolts / etc
Post by: caving_fox on September 20, 2017, 09:02:47 am
Aygill Caverns.

At the base of the 1st pitch (where you descend the slot towards the 2nd) there's a bunch of loose rock/cobbles mud upstream that's become unstable in recent floods. Take care! On returning don't follow the stream too high otherwise you'll disturb it further, although it is now physically possible to exit with the water.
Title: Re: Bad air / pollution / bad bolts / etc
Post by: Ian P on October 07, 2017, 08:21:27 pm
Sell Gill Hole

Dry Route, second pitch, left hand traverse, last bolt completely missing. The hole is visable with some "break out" evident.  This was a useful bolt as it helps set the best position for the Y hang. (In my humble opinion obviously !!)
I have filled in the CNCC web form.

Ian
Title: Re: Bad air / pollution / bad bolts / etc
Post by: alastairgott on November 13, 2017, 12:32:54 pm
Traverse in Mud Hall, Gaping Gill.

On a trip this Saturday (11th Nov), we met another efficient group coming through the crawls back toward South East pot. They informed us that there had been a mud-fall in Mud Hall wiping out part of the Traverse line from Mud henslers etc-the main Chamber.
 A contingent from another group we met coming back down into main Chamber from this section refuted the opinion about the collapse.

Our group made our way to Mud hall to have a look at it's muddy glory. On arrival two of the group went to investigate further, they concurred that the Traverse line indeed had been wiped out.

(edit: now reported on CNCC)
(edit 13.01 13/11/17: Main topic now at https://ukcaving.com/board/index.php?topic=22735.0;topicseen )
Title: Re: Bad air / pollution / bad bolts / etc
Post by: DaveyDubz on June 15, 2019, 11:33:05 am
Just a heads up that the insitu rope going up the climb to the high level route in Heron Pot has a rather nasty rub point on it, allowing you to see the slightly mangled core of the rope. The rub point is about half a metre below the top bolt.
Take care folks.
Title: Re: Bad air / pollution / bad bolts / etc
Post by: Beardy on June 24, 2019, 01:05:18 pm
The very long in-situ bit of rope on the deviation leaving the ledge half way down Dihedral Route (Jib Tunnel GG) is now showing quite a bit of core
We used it yesterday but it could do with replacing at some point in the near future - we didn't have a spare bit of tat yesterday (its about 8-10ft long)
Regards
Beardy
Title: Re: Bad air / pollution / bad bolts / etc
Post by: tras2 on July 08, 2019, 10:07:50 am
Just a heads up that the insitu rope going up the climb to the high level route in Heron Pot has a rather nasty rub point on it, allowing you to see the slightly mangled core of the rope. The rub point is about half a metre below the top bolt.
Take care folks.

FYI I was in Heron last week and it looks like it's a been replaced by a difference piece of rope (there was a very new looking stainless-steel mallion on the P-bolt).

I can only guess that it's been replaced by persons unknown since you spotted it
Title: Re: Bad air / pollution / bad bolts / etc
Post by: Ian Ball on July 08, 2019, 07:17:21 pm
The very long in-situ bit of rope on the deviation leaving the ledge half way down Dihedral Route (Jib Tunnel GG) is now showing quite a bit of core
We used it yesterday but it could do with replacing at some point in the near future - we didn't have a spare bit of tat yesterday (its about 8-10ft long)
Regards
Beardy

How easy is it to reach the attachment point if it's 10 foot long? 

Ian B.
Title: Re: Bad air / pollution / bad bolts / etc
Post by: Beardy on July 08, 2019, 08:11:33 pm
The very long in-situ bit of rope on the deviation leaving the ledge half way down Dihedral Route (Jib Tunnel GG) is now showing quite a bit of core
We used it yesterday but it could do with replacing at some point in the near future - we didn't have a spare bit of tat yesterday (its about 8-10ft long)
Regards
Beardy

How easy is it to reach the attachment point if it's 10 foot long? 

Ian B.
It looks fun :-)
But somebody got over there to drill the hole for the bolt....

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Title: Re: Bad air / pollution / bad bolts / etc
Post by: undergroundHP on July 09, 2020, 02:52:00 pm
Hi everyone.
While out walking the other day past BPOW I noticed that tree that the majority of people go down from into the open pot is an ash tree and it's not looking healthy. Not sure if people are aware ash trees are being attacked and dying off from ash dieback disease. Most ash trees in the dales have it now and are slowly and unfortunately dying.
I suspect at some point the tree at the open pot will start to drop branches and eventually fully go.

Also, I noticed the cliff face under the tree is starting to look loose and a couple of rocks have definitely come off in the last few months. ( not been for a while)
it's certainly worth keeping an eye on along with the tree.

stay safe out there people
Title: Re: Bad air / pollution / bad bolts / etc
Post by: Fjell on July 09, 2020, 08:34:13 pm
There is a national treasure on the climb into Butterfields Passage in County. Bolts look 40 years old and the rope lost a fight with a hungry goat.
Is it listed or something?
Title: Re: Bad air / pollution / bad bolts / etc
Post by: Alex on September 15, 2020, 12:28:17 pm
Box head/Lost Johns - Cresta run

I got a report from a friend, which I have not checked myself warning of the following:

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I was on a trip the other day from Its A Cracker to Lost Johns. At the start of what I think is the Cresta Run there is a climb down a tricky slot on a fixed handline. The point of this is that whilst going through the said slot from the Boxhead Its A Cracker side a large rock slice mud covered but big enough to hurt loosened and cracked off and is now perched over the rope and slot. It can be passed with care but if approaching from beneath it could be pulled into the slot blocking it and obviously injuring folk.
Title: Re: Bad air / pollution / bad bolts / etc
Post by: Badlad on September 15, 2020, 04:32:36 pm
Your friend was in touch with CNCC too..

https://cncc.org.uk/news/20200910-cresta-run-in-boxhead-pot

Thanks
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