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aardgoose
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Try being a part of a minority that has been targeted and abused by members of the current government, who's existence has been seen as invalid and legislated against. In a country where the culture is such that you are shunned by your own parents. Brexit is a taking us back to those times. Brexit is regressive movement, supported largely by those who long to return to those days, with no care about the harm caused to others, an utterly selfish action.
Try being part of a minority who has historically been scapegoated when things go downhill.
It must be nice living in your little englander bubble. Bully for you.
royfellows
Well-known member
Hi Fishes, just reading and mulling over what you say.
I have an old friend who is trans, If I get to see her i will ask about this.
My first reaction is to give as good as you get. I was bullied at school when I was young, life changing experience was when the worm (me) turned.
Stand up for yourself and you get respect.
I am aware what you are referring to as is probably everybody else. Does it occur that it was a pee take of idears rather than people?
See its bit like this forum
On here people are attacking each others opinion rather than being personal (so far)
This is my view of it anyway.
I have an old friend who is trans, If I get to see her i will ask about this.
My first reaction is to give as good as you get. I was bullied at school when I was young, life changing experience was when the worm (me) turned.
Stand up for yourself and you get respect.
I am aware what you are referring to as is probably everybody else. Does it occur that it was a pee take of idears rather than people?
See its bit like this forum
On here people are attacking each others opinion rather than being personal (so far)
This is my view of it anyway.
Hi Roy
Stand up and fight for yourself works so far, but not so well when there a dozen people are attacking you. I eventually took a different approach in the end at school. Rather than fighting back, I actually stood there and let the biggest bully just hit me with no response. They stopped hitting me after a few blows and never touched me again after that. Neither did anyone else or they took on the bully.
Most of this stuff is well in the past for me now as my transition was years ago. I'm not the stealthiest trans person in the world but I don't make a big deal of it and generally just get on with things even when working in different places around the world. You probably didn't realise I was trans when we met underground and talked for a while, and it probably didn't make much difference anyway. We were just two people with a passion for mine exploration and some friends in common.
In the post I mentioned earlier, I don't actually think anyone meant offence. They shared a meme that on the surface might seem harmless enough but actually promotes a false narrative that belittles the lived experience of many women and trans people. This is a false narrative that has been used for decades by mysoginists, transphobes and the right wing media to make other peoples lives seem stupid, irelivent and a legitimate target for jokes. In the past it would have been acceptable to make similar jokes at the expense of Jewish or black people for example. Thankfully, most people no longer find that acceptable.
I don't normally bite at low level stuff like this but I've seen a big increase in the level of anti trans misinformation in the media, along with more organised campaigns to roll back the rights of trans people since Brexit. These rights used to be protected by the European court but that's no longer an option that is open to us. I know people from other minority groups that are seeing similar things.
To be honest, I would much rather be talking about caving and mine exploration rather than dragging all this stuff back up from my past.
Stand up and fight for yourself works so far, but not so well when there a dozen people are attacking you. I eventually took a different approach in the end at school. Rather than fighting back, I actually stood there and let the biggest bully just hit me with no response. They stopped hitting me after a few blows and never touched me again after that. Neither did anyone else or they took on the bully.
Most of this stuff is well in the past for me now as my transition was years ago. I'm not the stealthiest trans person in the world but I don't make a big deal of it and generally just get on with things even when working in different places around the world. You probably didn't realise I was trans when we met underground and talked for a while, and it probably didn't make much difference anyway. We were just two people with a passion for mine exploration and some friends in common.
In the post I mentioned earlier, I don't actually think anyone meant offence. They shared a meme that on the surface might seem harmless enough but actually promotes a false narrative that belittles the lived experience of many women and trans people. This is a false narrative that has been used for decades by mysoginists, transphobes and the right wing media to make other peoples lives seem stupid, irelivent and a legitimate target for jokes. In the past it would have been acceptable to make similar jokes at the expense of Jewish or black people for example. Thankfully, most people no longer find that acceptable.
I don't normally bite at low level stuff like this but I've seen a big increase in the level of anti trans misinformation in the media, along with more organised campaigns to roll back the rights of trans people since Brexit. These rights used to be protected by the European court but that's no longer an option that is open to us. I know people from other minority groups that are seeing similar things.
To be honest, I would much rather be talking about caving and mine exploration rather than dragging all this stuff back up from my past.
royfellows
Well-known member
Smallcleaugh and you liked my lamp?
If so, then it was yes I did know, but I show everyone equal respect.
Thats shook you hasn't it?
On your first, in your own way you did stand up for yourself, and it did work.
If so, then it was yes I did know, but I show everyone equal respect.
Thats shook you hasn't it?
On your first, in your own way you did stand up for yourself, and it did work.
crickleymal
New member
Because you're not losing your sovereignty joining the EU.PeteHall said:ChrisJC said:I can't get my head around why the SNP who are so keen on independence are so keen to join the EU.
So they can add it to the list of grievances with England?
I don?t think the EU will admit Scotland so easily if they are still in a pissing contest with the UK. The UK can threaten serious damage on Scotland to put pressure on the EU if Scotland had a vote in the Council. Ireland was not allowed to join until the UK did for similar geographical reasons.
The EU Commission is at this moment getting peed off with Ireland because they are trying to soft-pedal issues with the Protocol wrt the Single Market. The Irish think they have been dissed.
It?s all good clean fun. It has barely started.
The EU Commission is at this moment getting peed off with Ireland because they are trying to soft-pedal issues with the Protocol wrt the Single Market. The Irish think they have been dissed.
It?s all good clean fun. It has barely started.
ChrisJC
Well-known member
Fishes said:
This is where we are going to differ. If you consider that saying nasty things to each other is equivalent to not being a safe country, then you are never going to feel safe anywhere. Those links you quote group together verbal and physical abuse as one and the same. For me, one would make me feel unsafe, the other is irrelevant. If you conflate the two, as far as I am concerned, the statistics become meaningless.
What does it say about me?Fishes said:
Chris.
I think it would be fair to say the UK is a very safe country for the vast majority.
There are a few specific minorities for whom it is less safe, often in specific locations. Some of those minorities would however be much worse off in most other countries.
I know someone who sent their child to a boarding school far from London because they thought their child (a fairly heavily built mixed-race teenager) was dicing with death on the streets of London because others would automatically pick him out as a potential threat to their turf just walking to school. It?s a sad state of affairs that no-one thought the parents were paranoid.
There are a few specific minorities for whom it is less safe, often in specific locations. Some of those minorities would however be much worse off in most other countries.
I know someone who sent their child to a boarding school far from London because they thought their child (a fairly heavily built mixed-race teenager) was dicing with death on the streets of London because others would automatically pick him out as a potential threat to their turf just walking to school. It?s a sad state of affairs that no-one thought the parents were paranoid.
tomferry
Well-known member
I think when you do personally read the news newspaper etc it does hi light all these terrible things that are happening but when you consider the odds that how many people go to work ? Just for example a large building site 1000 people ? They don?t have fights on them I have been on some for a year never saw a fight ? 
JoshW
Well-known member
I?m not entirely sure downplaying verbal abuse is really helping show your empathetic side, chris.
The thing is if you?re being verbally abused/threatened because of who you are and you know people being battered because of shared characteristics, I think it?s more than fair that the verbal abuse would make you feel unsafe.
Downplaying people?s safety as school yard stuff really doesn?t help. There was a spectacularly good thread on here the other day about suicide and mental health, which is entirely at odds with what you?re saying.
The thing is if you?re being verbally abused/threatened because of who you are and you know people being battered because of shared characteristics, I think it?s more than fair that the verbal abuse would make you feel unsafe.
Downplaying people?s safety as school yard stuff really doesn?t help. There was a spectacularly good thread on here the other day about suicide and mental health, which is entirely at odds with what you?re saying.
On my first day in a primary school near Glasgow we had a Geography lesson with the headmaster. He pointed to a map and inquired what river that was to the north of us. After a militant hush, I put my hand up and said ?the Clyde?. The class turned as one. The headmaster then inquired of the class (I paraphrase here) ? if the f**g Sassanach knows the answer, why don?t you??. I had Begbie on my ass ever after, and he was a seriously damaged individual.
It didn?t help the headmaster was a paedophile with a taste for the corporal punishment of young girls. My mother threatened him with violence in a manner that only a hill famers daughter would have experience of. He left us alone at least after that. This is the 1970?s.
Educational.
It didn?t help the headmaster was a paedophile with a taste for the corporal punishment of young girls. My mother threatened him with violence in a manner that only a hill famers daughter would have experience of. He left us alone at least after that. This is the 1970?s.
Educational.
