RobinGriffiths
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That would be taking a hobby too far!
Brexit...
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andrewmcleod
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ChrisJC said:
Why? It doesn't affect you.
crickleymal
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A valid point.andrewmc said:
ZombieCake
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Here is the UK today. (Contains rude words in case you're professionally offended at such things).
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tuqgj6zzt3E
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tuqgj6zzt3E
Alex
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I hear Labour are deliberately staying quite about the mess Brexit is causing and therfore none are bring up the very real problems that Brexit is causing, just because they are afraid of loosing the Red wall seats. Yet again, those of us who want to remain or at least a closer relationship with the EU are being ignored and what's more the pain many of those businesses are suffering is being ignored. In my eyes that makes them as bad as the Tories!
That settles it for me, F$?% Labour too then. I voted them last election as it was tactical, but not this time. Lib Dems for me, and if we all do it, even if we don't like some of the things they have done in the past, then they may have a chance and we can start to bail out the water from the sinking and breaking apart ship that is the UK. For those who want to rejoin or those who want to at least return to the single market and remove most of the negative bits of Brexit, then please vote Lib Dems, (or green if tactical). Otherwise it's more of the same, Tories just coloured red, or Tories, we must have another option, I for one am sick of the "status quo".
That settles it for me, F$?% Labour too then. I voted them last election as it was tactical, but not this time. Lib Dems for me, and if we all do it, even if we don't like some of the things they have done in the past, then they may have a chance and we can start to bail out the water from the sinking and breaking apart ship that is the UK. For those who want to rejoin or those who want to at least return to the single market and remove most of the negative bits of Brexit, then please vote Lib Dems, (or green if tactical). Otherwise it's more of the same, Tories just coloured red, or Tories, we must have another option, I for one am sick of the "status quo".
You can blame David Attenborough:
https://www.bbc.com/historyofthebbc/research/bbc-tv-colour
Only 13 episodes of each were made, with camberwick green first shown in 1966, trumpton in 1967 & chigley 1969, so they were cutting edge & dated all at same time:
https://www.bbc.com/historyofthebbc/anniversaries/january/camberwick-green
https://www.bbc.com/historyofthebbc/research/bbc-tv-colour
Only 13 episodes of each were made, with camberwick green first shown in 1966, trumpton in 1967 & chigley 1969, so they were cutting edge & dated all at same time:
https://www.bbc.com/historyofthebbc/anniversaries/january/camberwick-green
pwhole
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I've got all The Pogles episodes on two VHS tapes - bought them years ago. They're still as creepy as they were when I was five, but they got me into woodland, and I've spent the rest of my life looking into tree roots for a little door. More info here:
http://www.dragons-friendly-society.co.uk/main.htm
http://www.dragons-friendly-society.co.uk/main.htm
Speleofish
Active member
How very depressing. The individual stories are pretty bad, the combined effect of all of them is rather overwhelming. I had been trying to remain optimistic that we could sort out the more bureaucratic problems but when you see quite how many things aren't working, pessimism seems more realistic.
pwhole
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You can't just stop a system that largely worked for everyone, and then replace it with 'something else' and expect it to work as well as the thing you're replacing. It's just common sense, and you don't need to be a political or economic genius to figure it out. Political union is always going to raise more argument, and I totally understand why folks might be hesitant at that. But trade union is just obvious, and as far as I can see this will never, ever be repaired until we rejoin that. Northern Ireland could fall apart - again. Though that's bleeding obvious when you try and hold on to a piece of a country that plainly isn't. Should have thought about that one! How many more examples do we need of what a complete and utter mess it is? This where naked patriotism gets you, as many countries in the world are about to find out.
The difference in trade terms is purely down to artificial barriers. They largely don?t need to exist for a country like the UK in the middle of Europe. It?s a political choice, not an immutable law of the universe. At some point they have to decide if significant divergence, disinterest and detachment it is in their long term interests. I would say not. I believe a more confident EU would have already resolved it, but it has been floundering since 2008 when some of the behaviour was not so clever.
There have been two tangible issues for the UK: the largely one-way movement of people and the Eurozone. Both have cause political imbalance to a degree unique to the UK. Both have to be resolved to rejoin. I don?t see it happening in my lifetime. Maybe it?s just going to be better this way for all concerned now. This is not the end point, but you might have to wait 5-10 years for things to settle down.
There have been two tangible issues for the UK: the largely one-way movement of people and the Eurozone. Both have cause political imbalance to a degree unique to the UK. Both have to be resolved to rejoin. I don?t see it happening in my lifetime. Maybe it?s just going to be better this way for all concerned now. This is not the end point, but you might have to wait 5-10 years for things to settle down.
pwhole
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Fjell said:
I would definitely agree that outward migration to Europe for British people is far more problematic than the other way around, not least as we have a multiplicity of languages and cultures to tackle (choose from), whereas they (mostly) have only one - that's partly as a result of our relative success, I accept. More people around the world know how to speak English far better than we will ever speak theirs, as it's taught to so many at an early age. Many foreigners can speak better English than many English people - I know a couple. That said, my mate from Rotherham moved to Athens over twenty years ago with no qualifications other than extreme talent on bass guitar, and was speaking fluent Greek within six months - partly as he had to, and partly as it was a lot easier than he expected, it being mostly phonetic. Women probably helped too. He's still there, with a family, though working quite a lot of the year in the UK
I would have no problem working in Europe still because I would qualify in most places under the still existing special rules for foreigners they want to be there - expats who bring high end skills.
If you are an expat in Holland earning above a certain amount you still get a chunky 30% extra tax free allowance. Denmark the same. It is more generous than anything in the UK.
Emigrating there to look for work? Well, they?ve got plenty of that already. As does the UK.
If you are an expat in Holland earning above a certain amount you still get a chunky 30% extra tax free allowance. Denmark the same. It is more generous than anything in the UK.
Emigrating there to look for work? Well, they?ve got plenty of that already. As does the UK.
I've always been a little confused by this phrase "expats". I presume it just refers to British nationals who choose to live and work abroad? When foreign nationals choose to live and work abroad they are referred to as immigrants. Expats are just immigrants aren't they?
