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sinker
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JoshW said:
No, you were just being rude and personal and trying to score a cheap point.
You can argue points of view with people all day without bringing spelling and grammar into it.
He may be dyslexic. He may have a learning disability for all you know. He may never have had the educational opportunities that you had. He may have fat thumbs and a small keypad on his phone.
Take the piss out of that....and his limp and his accent and the colour of his skin while you're at it.
andrewmcleod
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sinker said:
I'm curious as to in what specific, measurable ways you think being white, or being male, or being heterosexual has led to you being discriminated against in the UK with regard to employment, housing or other similar fashion?
This could _either_ be a robustly-tested example (e.g. where you have successfully challenged discrimination at an employment tribunal, for example) _or_ an example where you can show evidence that being one of the above characteristic leads to proven discrimination in the UK.
Pitlamp
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Sinker said:
"He may be dyslexic. He may have a learning disability for all you know. He may never have had the educational opportunities that you had. He may have fat thumbs and a small keypad on his phone."
I think this is a valuable point. I have some professional experience of getting the best out of people who, for whatever reason, have difficulty with the written word. Quiet help and encouragement often works wonders but comments verging on the derogatory often have the reverse effect.
Let's all keep that in mind folks . . .
"He may be dyslexic. He may have a learning disability for all you know. He may never have had the educational opportunities that you had. He may have fat thumbs and a small keypad on his phone."
I think this is a valuable point. I have some professional experience of getting the best out of people who, for whatever reason, have difficulty with the written word. Quiet help and encouragement often works wonders but comments verging on the derogatory often have the reverse effect.
Let's all keep that in mind folks . . .
sinker
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andrewmc said:
I didn't say I had been discriminated against; I said that under certain circumstances I was in the minority and that I didn't have any protected characteristics.
I've never needed to take anyone to an employment tribunal and I haven't ever needed to tackle anyone on being discriminated against. See above; I never said I had been.
ChrisJC
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Ed said:
That is both rather presumptuous and exactly the sort of stereotyping that would be somewhere between unacceptable and a hate crime if you swapped the words white for black, middle class for poor, middle aged for a religion. You have no idea of the truth! The irony however coming from somebody arguing your side makes me laugh rather than get angry!
Anyway, I don't live under a rock in the garden of my country mansion! I for example go out (when Covid allows), I socialise, I visit lots of places that have members of the general public, often if I go into my local city the ethnic and cultural mix is such that I am definitely the minority. I go to a workplace, I meet with strangers.
Yet I have completely failed to observe this epic blizzard of hate that I am being led to believe pervades society (mostly because of Brexit). You would have thought that I would have seen or heard at least something???
Chris.
ChrisJC
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andrewmc said:
Although it is undeniable that those things exist, I do not believe that they are of the sort of scale that you would like me to believe.
Here is an example:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/newsbeat-55831324
It is an article about three black young ladies discussing how English speakers are unable (and probably unwilling) to pronounce their name correctly. That bit I have sympathy with. But they go on to make it racist and an example of racist micro-agressions. And things like that start to appear in the sort of statistics you are quoting.
That article resonated with my entire life. My surname is only 7 letters, in plain English. But nobody can spell it. Even when I spell it out one letter at a time, I watch people still get them in the wrong order.
The first three letters are C-O-W. People ring me up and ask for Mr. Chow... Like where did that silent H come from?? FFS!
My experience is basically identical to theirs, so I have both empathy and sympathy.
But I am not putting it down to anything other than stupidity and ignorance, so it won't inflate any stats.
We are not going to agree because you are going to use the sort of inflated stats that I believe do not represent the reality.
Chris.
royfellows
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You have my sympathy Chris, like my email address
Is ANYTHING more simple than roy@royfellows.uk ?
My patience often wears thin and I ask "Are you listening to me"?
I think that this is telling us something.
Is ANYTHING more simple than roy@royfellows.uk ?
My patience often wears thin and I ask "Are you listening to me"?
I think that this is telling us something.
royfellows
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The prize is a pointed red hat with a bell on it and a red nose to match, as yet unclaimed..
You missed the "co" off being the preconceived notion
You missed the "co" off being the preconceived notion
sinker
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ChrisJC said:
"Yewande Biala, from Love Island 2019, says having her name mispronounced feels "malicious"."
The world has officially gone mad. Either that or it's a way of raising her profile after being kicked off Love Island 2 years ago.
She is Irish but I'm not sure whereabouts in Africa her name originates from.
I've spent a fair bit of time in Senegal, Gambia and West Africa generally and NO ONE there can pronounce my name correctly.....and why would they...? It's of Irish origin.
A Welsh man with an Irish name in West Africa: pronounceable with practice. Laugh it off.
An Irish lady with an African name in the UK: pronounceable with practice. Claim racism.
Speleofish
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Several things that are often categorised as 'racist micro-aggressions' are often the result of friendly curiosity or well-meaning ignorance. Apparently, asking where someone is from is considered racist and I reluctantly taught myself not to do this, or to do so cautiously. I worked in an institution with an extremely diverse workforce, so comparing notes about the practice of medicine or nursing in different places was extremely interesting. Ditto discussions about sport, politics, food, recipes etc.
Similarly, acceptable language for describing people of different ethnicities, sexual orientation etc changes over time and it is extremely easy to say something wrong because you are using outdated terminology.
I have no time for racism or discrimination in any form. However, I also have difficulty with intolerant zealots.
Similarly, acceptable language for describing people of different ethnicities, sexual orientation etc changes over time and it is extremely easy to say something wrong because you are using outdated terminology.
I have no time for racism or discrimination in any form. However, I also have difficulty with intolerant zealots.
Alex
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I think in the main, being gay myself Britain is a very tolerant country, as I personally have not had any issues. However, I still don't like holding John's hand in public, in case someone does something, but that could just be my paranoia. I also have the advantage of unless you know me, there is no way of knowing I am gay, I don't act in the traditional gay way the media normally portrays us all like (It was thanks to that, why I did not come out until I was 33 because I did not realise I was gay not fitting into the stereotype, but that's another story).
What worries me and people wanting to go back to the "good old days" where me being gay would be illegal, and Brexit is the biggest statement I can think of that says that. A large majority of it supports want to go back to the "good old days", such as some statements on this very thread saying was not everything great in the second world war and all the comparisons with it.
Frankly all this harking back to the "good old days", worries me.
What worries me and people wanting to go back to the "good old days" where me being gay would be illegal, and Brexit is the biggest statement I can think of that says that. A large majority of it supports want to go back to the "good old days", such as some statements on this very thread saying was not everything great in the second world war and all the comparisons with it.
Frankly all this harking back to the "good old days", worries me.
royfellows
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Speleofish said:
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With an accent like mine I get asked all the while. Certainly a new angle on it. Mind you, I do live in the Black Country.
Thinking about it, in Wales its probably considered a Barmouth accent.
sinker
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royfellows said:Speleofish said:
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With an accent like mine I get asked all the while. Certainly a new angle on it. Mind you, I do live in the Black Country.
Thinking about it, in Wales its probably considered a Barmouth accent.
Isn't Barmouth the "Western West-Midlands" ?
I lived in Gravelly Hill for a few years; full of Welsh! Must have been some sort of cultural exchange programme or an attempt to dilute the gene pool either side of the border.....
royfellows
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RobinGriffiths
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Barmouth, home to the Arousal Cafe. And some manganese bits and bobs.
