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Chat GPt - a way to go for reliable information

2xw

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It said 5. One of which being Daren Cilau. Interestingly it's started being explicit that it's knowledge cutoff is 2021.

Remember any cave related questions will be terrible because there is almost no information online about Draenen.
 

RobinGriffiths

Well-known member
It really pushed the boat out for my reply:

The entrances of Ogof Draenen include traditional surface entrances, as well as cave connections to other nearby cave systems such as Ogof Cnwc. Some of the well-known entrances to Ogof Draenen include Bridge Cave, Bull Pit, Lower Entrance, Little Neath River Cave Entrance, and others.
 

Graigwen

Active member
It really pushed the boat out for my reply:
Blimey! I can't wait for the first report of a through trip from Ogof Cnwc to Little Neath via Draenen.

I'll stay well away from ChatGPT in case it gets hold of my delusional list of Draenen entrances that include entrances to now detached parts of the greater Draenen system.
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pwhole

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https://www.theguardian.com/comment...rch-avianca-statement-ai-risk-openai-deepmind

Take a step back from this for a moment. Here we have senior representatives of a powerful and unconscionably rich industry – plus their supporters and colleagues in elite research labs across the world – who are on the one hand mesmerised by the technical challenges of building a technology that they believe might be an existential threat to humanity, while at the same time calling for governments to regulate it. But the thought that never seems to enter what might be called their minds is the question that any child would ask: if it is so dangerous, why do you continue to build it? Why not stop and do something else? Or at the very least, stop releasing these products into the wild?
 

alanw

Well-known member
Resurrecting a dead thread - any doubt that this text and image are the product of AI hallucinations?

Gaping Gill is a natural cave in North Yorkshire, England. Yorkshire Vale is all rolling meadows thesaurus by stone walls, pockets of water and castles, abbeys, and villages scattered over the stunning landscape. But the most incredible feature to be found here is the Gaping Hill Cave. This amazing cave has the record for the highest unbroken waterfall in England and the largest underground chamber naturally open to the surface.

 

Stuart France

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Going back to the "Can ChatGPT write software" issue. Er, no, not in and of itself, as it has no understanding of content and simply regurgitates other people's material based on a pattern match. I'm not denying that is one way of doing a literature search while occupied supping a pint, but it isn't raw intelligence. So, I asked how to use SFTP to transfer files to a server at the command line level and it came up with this DOS script below amongst 5 pages of other stuff including a couple of pages from some Unix Manual as used at Indiana University:

echo YourPassword > temp.txt
psftp username@server –pw YourPassword –b commands.txt
del temp.txt

Now, even someone who is not a programmer can see that putting your own password (whatever it is) into a temporary file, then not referencing that temporary file in the subsequent PSFTP command line, and then deleting the useless temp file, is plain silly.

Someone else fed ChatGPT their half-hour smart meter readings for the past year requesting enlightenment. The response was a chart showing a “24x7” view of it showing the hour-of-day totals versus the weekday summed over a year. All well and good, other than the clocks going back and forth seasonally - but how do we know an alternative weekly or daily total view of that year would not also have been illuminating? Or even calculate the average and standard deviation by week or by day, or a seasonal interpretation, or even a simple total for the year? There are after all things called summer and winter and annual expenditure. So yes, it can interact in a fun way, put 17,520 readings through a stats package and create a chart, but that is not intelligence. If creating a chart is intelligent then Excel is intelligent.

As to getting hold of caving news, I asked ChatGPT how many entrances are there to Ogof Draenen? Its answer:

"Ogof Draenen, located in South Wales, UK, is one of the longest cave systems in Britain. As of my last update, there were several entrances to Ogof Draenen, but the exact number may vary depending on how one defines an "entrance." Generally, there are around 15 to 20 entrances, including surface shafts and openings leading into the cave system. However, due to the dynamic nature of caves, with new entrances occasionally being discovered and existing ones altered by natural processes, it's advisable to consult the most recent sources for the latest information."

Perhaps there really are 20 entrances most of the time. I must go and look for the few remaining that I don't know about this weekend. And it is self-evident that the most recent sources rather than historic ones would have the latest information, surely?
 
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marsrat

Member
Going back to the "Can ChatGPT write software" issue. Er, no, not in and of itself, as it has no understanding of content and simply regurgitates other people's material based on a pattern match. I'm not denying that is one way of doing a literature search while occupied supping a pint, but it isn't raw intelligence. So, I asked how to use SFTP to transfer files to a server at the command line level and it came up with this DOS script below amongst 5 pages of other stuff including a couple of pages from some Unix Manual as used at Indiana University:

echo YourPassword > temp.txt
psftp username@server –pw YourPassword –b commands.txt
del temp.txt

Now, even someone who is not a programmer can see that putting your own password (whatever it is) into a temporary file, then not referencing that temporary file in the subsequent PSFTP command line, and then deleting the useless temp file, is plain silly.

Someone else fed ChatGPT their half-hour smart meter readings for the past year requesting enlightenment. The response was a chart showing a “24x7” view of it showing the hour-of-day totals versus the weekday summed over a year. All well and good, other than the clocks going back and forth seasonally - but how do we know an alternative weekly or daily total view of that year would not also have been illuminating? Or even calculate the average and standard deviation by week or by day, or a seasonal interpretation, or even a simple total for the year? There are after all things called summer and winter and annual expenditure. So yes, it can interact in a fun way, put 17,520 readings through a stats package and create a chart, but that is not intelligence. If creating a chart is intelligent then Excel is intelligent.

As to getting hold of caving news, I asked ChatGPT how many entrances are there to Ogof Draenen? Its answer:

"Ogof Draenen, located in South Wales, UK, is one of the longest cave systems in Britain. As of my last update, there were several entrances to Ogof Draenen, but the exact number may vary depending on how one defines an "entrance." Generally, there are around 15 to 20 entrances, including surface shafts and openings leading into the cave system. However, due to the dynamic nature of caves, with new entrances occasionally being discovered and existing ones altered by natural processes, it's advisable to consult the most recent sources for the latest information."

Perhaps there really are 20 entrances most of the time. I must go and look for the few remaining that I don't know about this weekend. And it is self-evident that the most recent sources rather than historic ones would have the latest information, surely?
We don't talk about the 15+ other entrances :mad:
 

Graigwen

Active member
Going back to the "Can ChatGPT write software" issue. Er, no, not in and of itself, as it has no understanding of content and simply regurgitates other people's material based on a pattern match. I'm not denying that is one way of doing a literature search while occupied supping a pint, but it isn't raw intelligence. So, I asked how to use SFTP to transfer files to a server at the command line level and it came up with this DOS script below amongst 5 pages of other stuff including a couple of pages from some Unix Manual as used at Indiana University:

echo YourPassword > temp.txt
psftp username@server –pw YourPassword –b commands.txt
del temp.txt

Now, even someone who is not a programmer can see that putting your own password (whatever it is) into a temporary file, then not referencing that temporary file in the subsequent PSFTP command line, and then deleting the useless temp file, is plain silly.

Someone else fed ChatGPT their half-hour smart meter readings for the past year requesting enlightenment. The response was a chart showing a “24x7” view of it showing the hour-of-day totals versus the weekday summed over a year. All well and good, other than the clocks going back and forth seasonally - but how do we know an alternative weekly or daily total view of that year would not also have been illuminating? Or even calculate the average and standard deviation by week or by day, or a seasonal interpretation, or even a simple total for the year? There are after all things called summer and winter and annual expenditure. So yes, it can interact in a fun way, put 17,520 readings through a stats package and create a chart, but that is not intelligence. If creating a chart is intelligent then Excel is intelligent.

As to getting hold of caving news, I asked ChatGPT how many entrances are there to Ogof Draenen? Its answer:

"Ogof Draenen, located in South Wales, UK, is one of the longest cave systems in Britain. As of my last update, there were several entrances to Ogof Draenen, but the exact number may vary depending on how one defines an "entrance." Generally, there are around 15 to 20 entrances, including surface shafts and openings leading into the cave system. However, due to the dynamic nature of caves, with new entrances occasionally being discovered and existing ones altered by natural processes, it's advisable to consult the most recent sources for the latest information."

Perhaps there really are 20 entrances most of the time. I must go and look for the few remaining that I don't know about this weekend. And it is self-evident that the most recent sources rather than historic ones would have the latest information, surely?
A couple of years ago when asked how many entrances Ogof Draenen had, ChatGPT said the list included Little Neath River Cave, Ogof Cnwc and Bull Pot. I suppose this is evidence of learning.
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