CNCC Rigging Guide Volume 2

[Glenn]

....will be on sale at the usual Ingleton outlets from Saturday afternoon:

Contents here;

http://www.cncc.org.uk/tg_locations.html and details here; http://www.cncc.org.uk/home.html

 

[Antwan]

where was the cover photo taken in vol 1? I could only make it fit to brow gill but it looks worng

 

[cap n chris]

I think Brow Gill is rihgt

 

[Glenn]

where was the cover photo taken in vol 1? I could only make it fit to brow gill but it looks worng

Yup it is indeed Browgill Your turn Antwan.

Oops, sorry, wrong thread

 

[Geoff R]

Ive just been allowed to read my 'birthday' copy
An EXCELLENT publication and sincere thanks to all who published this 

Yorkshire calls !

 

[Maj]

Agreed, excellent publication - Lots of useful info before you even get to the topo's.
As with volume I, entrance photos as well.

Picked up Vol II last weekend & Vol I the previous.


Maj.

 

[Chocolate fireguard]

I think the website has mixed up the Long Kins.

 

[Benfool]

yup it has, Long Kin East links to Rift and is on the Allotment, Long Kin West is the deep pothole, with the 80m entrance shaft on Newby Moss.

 

[langcliffe]

Yes - it's a fine effort.

I notice that it omits mention of the pendulum rope hanging down the traverse in Rat Hole. This is a necessary aid for the short in leg. I can assure everyone that although the top is out of sight, it is attached to a VERY carefully positioned P-bolt; the rope was new when put in; and there is a knot at the bottom of the rope.

I also notice that although the web site claims that it covers "Small Mammal & high level to SE Aven", it doesn't actually include any of the Bar Pot Alternative route apart from the Small Mammal Pot entrance pitch. The web site also indicates that it includes Echo Aven, but doesn't actually do so.

These routes are covered here:

Bar Pot Alternative: http://www.braemoor.co.uk/caving/route18rg.shtml
Echo Aven: http://www.braemoor.co.uk/caving/echorift.shtml

 

[Alex]

I should note that the big pitch traverse on Lancliffes diagram can be bypassed safely by a rather grotty flat our crawl accessed from a small hole on the slope leading down to the big pitch. Its quite muddy though!

 

[dunc]

Looking at the state of you after that crawl, I think I'd rather carry the rope and do the short traverse!!

 

[langcliffe]

I should note that the big pitch traverse on Lancliffes diagram can be bypassed safely by a rather grotty flat our crawl accessed from a small hole on the slope leading down to the big pitch. Its quite muddy though!

Yes- but it's not particularly practical with a rope bag. In the 1978 LUSS description that accompanies the survey, it is accurately described as 'a tight passage ... descends through boulders to a muddy bedding which connects with Upper South-East Passage'.

I dragged a drill through there when we were bolting SE Aven, but once was quite enough.

 

[Pitlamp]

That LUSS survey and description of Bar Pot & Flood Entrance Pot really is first class. There should be more things published like that. Mine's covered in pencil notes and is all dog eared but I still make use of it regularly. Is it still in print Langcliffe?

 

[Alex]

I just don't like that traverse as the bolt is missing in the middle so a big fall if you slip before the rope catches you.

 

[langcliffe]

I just don't like that traverse as the bolt is missing in the middle so a big fall if you slip before the rope catches you.

There never was a bolt in the middle, as there is a perfectly adequate natural.

 

[langcliffe]

That LUSS survey and description of Bar Pot & Flood Entrance Pot really is first class. There should be more things published like that. Mine's covered in pencil notes and is all dog eared but I still make use of it regularly. Is it still in print Langcliffe?

No - but there is an  copy on the web:  http://braemoor.co.uk/caving/bar/intro.shtml

It's been updated with subsequent finds, and as best I could, I tidied up the references although there are still another half a dozen that need sorting out. I was going to put a copy of the original into the online BCRA archives along with the four journals, but it didn't scan well.

 

[langcliffe]

That LUSS survey and description of Bar Pot & Flood Entrance Pot really is first class. There should be more things published like that. Mine's covered in pencil notes and is all dog eared but I still make use of it regularly. Is it still in print Langcliffe?

No - but there is an  copy on the web:  http://braemoor.co.uk/caving/bar/intro.shtml
I was going to put a copy of the original into the online BCRA archives along with the four journals, but it didn't scan well.

I have had a change of heart, Pitlamp. Working on the basis that a not very good copy is far better than no copy, I have now scanned in the "Bar Pot and Flood Entrance" document, and placed it in the BCRA On-line Archives:

http://www.archives.bcra.org.uk/index.php?dir=luss%2Fmbar

 

[Pitlamp]

GOOD MAN!

 

[graham]

I have had a change of heart, Pitlamp. Working on the basis that a not very good copy is far better than no copy, I have now scanned in the "Bar Pot and Flood Entrance" document, and placed it in the BCRA On-line Archives:

http://www.archives.bcra.org.uk/index.php?dir=luss%2Fmbar

There is absolutely nothing wrong with that scan for that purpose. Nothing at all. The more of this stuff that is got online and freely available, the better.

 

[langcliffe]

There is absolutely nothing wrong with that scan for that purpose. Nothing at all. The more of this stuff that is got online and freely available, the better.

Thank you for the feedback, Graham.

I am now having doubts whether it was actually published in that format as Page 3 refers to an embedded photograph. The copy I have was given to me by one of the authors, but it may have been a working document.

Pitlamp - what does your copy look like?