New Petzl Pantin. (Rubbish).

[D.Snaith]

Here's a "chinese" foot ascender off ebay vs my beloved old pantin.

I dont see the problem with using a "chinese" foot ascender as it is not crucial to safety like the Chest ascender and Hand ascender. I recently dropped a shaft, and forgot my hand jammer, so borrowed my friends experimental "chinky" one... needless to say that one is no longer in use as i ended up coming out on a prussik as it slid back down the rope...

 

[cavermark]

...Other than the fact that you are supporting the business of someone who makes other fake gear that is safety critical, instead of the manufacturers who make safe gear (and spend a lot of money developing and testing it). 

 

[Simon Wilson]

Quite right cavermark. Buying this cheap counterfeit stuff is wrong in so many ways it's hard to know where to start. I don't understand why anybody would want to but it when gear made by reputable companies is so inexpensive. We should be striving to push quality up not push prices down even further.

 

[Madness]

I thought the whole point of getting the Chinese foot ascender was that it was a copy of the old Petzl Pantin that is no longer made by Petzl.

I'm sure that if Petzl still made the old style, he would have bought a genuine one from Petzl.

 

[andrewmcleod]

I thought the whole point of getting the Chinese foot ascender was that it was a copy of the old Petzl Pantin that is no longer made by Petzl.

I'm sure that if Petzl still made the old style, he would have bought a genuine one from Petzl.

If you want cheap knock-offs of Petzl products, past or present, buy from a reputable manufacturer - Climbing Technologies, Camp etc. Or buy from something from the Czech Republic etc, which makes great stuff at reasonable prices with all the relevant EU standards (Singing Rock, Ocun, Rock Empire, Kouba, Tendon...). If you buy something random from China there is every chance it will disintegrate on first use.

https://www.thebmc.co.uk/dangerous-crampons-online
https://www.thebmc.co.uk/warning-over-fake-petzl-equipment

If you are buying it on Ebay/directly importing from China, there is no guarantee that it will meet EU standards - it is the responsibility of the importer (you) not the exporter to verify that a) it is fit for purpose and b) it meets the relevant safety regulations (NOT just that it has CE stamped into it).

You are also supporting an industry of making low-quality, potentially dangerous copies of European gear, and harming those European companies who have invested money in R&D.

 

[droid]

Have a good look at where your gear is made.

The amount of stuff (in general) that's made in China is huge. The quality problem is down to quality control, not manufacturing competence.

FFS, there's even parts on my Harley made in China.....

 

[blackholesun]

Just to confirm, people are using the term "chinky" to mean Chinese?

In 2016?

On a public forum?

I've edited the post, Pegasus

 

[thomasr]

D snaith,s  imput was interesting in, he did,nt see anything wrong in using tat for non safety critical parts of his set up However he found he had to use it in an emergency in a critical part of his rig . Has he learned from this I wonder ? Some Climbers used to tie their boots up with climbing cord [ maybe still do ]  Just on the of chance that it might come in handy

 

[Chocolate fireguard]

Just to confirm, people are using the term "chinky" to mean Chinese?

In 2016?

On a public forum?

Yes. Yes. Yes.
Funny old world isn't it?
There may be people who have been barred from this forum who would not have done that.

 

[NewStuff]

Just to confirm, people are using the term "chinky" to mean Chinese?

In 2016?

On a public forum?

There may be people who have been barred from this forum who would not have done that.

And what's that got to do with... well, anything really?

 

[blackholesun]

I don't understand the barred comment either.

The issue here is that people are using offensive racial slurs. It's hardly encouraging that nobody bats an eye either.

Mods?

 

[andrewmcleod]

D snaith,s  imput was interesting in, he did,nt see anything wrong in using tat for non safety critical parts of his set up However he found he had to use it in an emergency in a critical part of his rig . Has he learned from this I wonder ? Some Climbers used to tie their boots up with climbing cord [ maybe still do ]  Just on the of chance that it might come in handy

These days it's accessory cord for the chalkbag; useful for an emergency prussik.

The issue here is that people are using offensive racial slurs. It's hardly encouraging that nobody bats an eye either.

I will be honest and say that when I first read it I assumed I must be wrong about it being a racist term because that would be outrageous and I thought it would have been deleted or someone would have commented it is were. Now that I've thought about it, I think it should be removed from all the other quotes and posts in this thread - it is not OK.

 

[Simon Wilson]

Have a good look at where your gear is made.

The amount of stuff (in general) that's made in China is huge. The quality problem is down to quality control, not manufacturing competence.

FFS, there's even parts on my Harley made in China.....

Manufacturing competence? Quality control? - If quality control is low then manufacturing competence is low and vice versa. The problem with products imported from unknown sources is that you just don't know. You don't know where it was made, who made it or what it was made from; all you know is that it is a blue and silver thing in the shape of a Pantin.

 

[D.Snaith]

D snaith,s  imput was interesting in, he did,nt see anything wrong in using tat for non safety critical parts of his set up However he found he had to use it in an emergency in a critical part of his rig . Has he learned from this I wonder ? Some Climbers used to tie their boots up with climbing cord [ maybe still do ]  Just on the of chance that it might come in handy

I would also note that the hand ascender was also backed up with a prussik from the beginning. It is worth noting that this hand jammer had all the petzl markings on it, came in a petzl box but only cost ?15 new...

 

[cavermark]

So for a little under the price of one genuine, certified petzl hand jammer, suporting bona fide manufacturers (and hopefully independent specialist UK retailers),  you can buy two fake Chinese ones that will either not work or break?

Bargain 

 

[Pegasus]

[admin]OK to be clear - the use of racist language on the forum will not be tolerated. If you wish to comment on this please start a NEW THREAD under Forum Notices and Issues, thank you.[/admin]

 

[Badlad]

[admin]Pegasus has been responding to the same reports as me and has already commented. However on this issue it will not hurt to post the comment that I had already written.. Apologies to all forum users about the use of a racially offensive word related to low quality products made in China. Thanks to those who reported the posts and drew our attention to it. We have changed the word where originally used but left the word in the posts which high lighted the fact. I hope this is to the satisfaction of the everyone. These sort of words may have been used in the era of Alf Garnet but are no longer appropriate in today's media. Otherwise this is an interesting thread, please continue.[/admin]

 

[andrewmcleod]

I would also note that the hand ascender was also backed up with a prussik from the beginning. It is worth noting that this hand jammer had all the petzl markings on it, came in a petzl box but only cost ?15 new...

Hopefully you put the prussik above the hand ascender so when the dodgy illegal counterfeit cut though the rope on a 1.5kN fall when a bolt pops, you don't plunge to your death? There is already far too little safety margin on toothed ascenders for my liking.

 

[droid]

Missed the point by a country mile.